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reporter arrested for asking giuliani aide a question after debate

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jo mama, Jun 6, 2007.

  1. DonkeyMagic

    DonkeyMagic Member
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    and yes...that 'reporter' was being a dick.
     
  2. jo mama

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    and the guy doesnt try to walk away - he is talking to him. he asks him to show him the documentation and when the reporter offers is when the cops come. he wasnt impeding him in any way - the guy wasnt trying to get away from him.

    actually, it is very different - the reporter never engaged in slander or personal insults like the guy that buzz punched. it is also different b/c the guy being questioned did not seek to break contact - he was talking to him.

    i never said it was innocent or polite - he was asking a hard question - giuliani was caught in a lie and his aide was being questioned about it. but i guess in the new america that is something that gets people arrested.
     
  3. Ottomaton

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    I have to believe that you are biased by the fact that both of you are big Ron Paul supporters. Otherwise, I can't understand how you are seeing something that is completely at odds with the video I am watching.
     
  4. jo mama

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    even if he was, that is not an arrestable offense.
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Watching the video I would say the aid overreacted and so did the police. While the reporter was being aggressive in his questioning this was a spin room where people like the aid are there to answer questions. He could've continued to ignore him and talked to other reporters and left him to shout away. As for the police removing him he is an accredited reporter at a press function and while he was being an ass he wasn't doing anything illegal and acting in accord with the First Ammendment.
     
  6. Sishir Chang

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    I'm not a Ron Paul supporter but I have to agree with Jo Mama on this one. What I saw in the video doesn't look illegal and while it was aggressive this was a situation where the aid was making himself available to the press and the aid does engage with the reporter.

    I agree the reporter, and I use that term loosely, is being a dick but I don't see anything there that is illegal.
     
  7. Ottomaton

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    I don't think I ever said it was. However, I feel no sympathy for him. I did say he was calling the guy a liar and was not simply asking him polite questions as jo mamma indicated.
     
  8. Sishir Chang

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    Sorry my mistake.
     
  9. DonkeyMagic

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    maybe not, but it should be :D
     
  10. thadeus

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    Yeah, the guy was an *******. No, nothing he did was illegal.

    And if those charges are true, then that's very frightening.

    Besides - these 'Spin Room' sessions are hardly halls of sacrosanct speech. Most of the people in the room are assholes! Let's stop giving political advertising respect it doesn't deserve - the garbage Giuliani's aide spews isn't any more respectable or important than the **** the idiot reporter was saying.

    It becomes worrisome when people in positions of power start using muscle (the cops in this case) to enforce what they believe is, and what they believe isn't, "correct" political debate. Everything, even ridiculous things, should be open for discussion.
     
  11. DonkeyMagic

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    you shut your mouth or i'll shut it for you! :D :D :D
     
  12. jo mama

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    for the second time, i never said he was asking polite questions. in fact, i said he was asking hard questions. the aide's boss was caught in a lie and the reporter was asking him to explain it. he was being aggressive, but that isnt the first time a reporter has been so, is it?

    still waiting for you to explain to me how asking a question constitutes "stalk and harass" or is deserving of arrest?
     
  13. jo mama

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    what does any of this have to do with being a ron paul supporter? what are you seeing on the video? i see a guy with a legitimate press pass, who had every right to be there, get arrested for asking a question.

    i am a supporter of the first amendment. its a shame that more of us are not.
     
  14. Ottomaton

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    I see a guy who won't shut the hell up after he is provided an answer to his question. If you don't like the answer, even if it is a total lie, that doesn't mean it is appropriate to start screaming, "You are a liar." and trying to shout the guy into changing his answer and more than it is appropriate to tell astronauts that they are liars and didn't really go to the moon.

    When he asks crap like that it is nothing more than grandstanding and baiting. Do you really think he believed that he was going to get the guy to suddently provide support him whatever paranoid delusion he is suffering from? The only reason you act like that, especially with a video camera in the room, is so you can get yourself on film yelling at someone.
     
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  15. jo mama

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    i accept your apology.
     
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    Actually, what you see is security escorting the reporter away for harassing someone & disrupting things. Infowars is famously known for disrupting events and then whining when people get in their way. Except for what the Infowars people claim, we don't know what else he may have done outside of camera view to go from being escorted away to being charged with anything.
     
  17. jo mama

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    i never heard him yell "you are a liar". he said "giuliani lied to me". even if he had called the guy a liar, why should he get arrested for it? the guy asked him for documentation and when the reporter offered to show it to him he was dragged off.

    what paranoid delusion would that be? giuliani was caught in a lie and the reporter was asking his aide to explain it. it was a hard question and he was aggressive, but he had every right to be there and he did nothing illegal.
     
  18. jo mama

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    he wasnt outside of camera view during the exchange and if he had done something to warrant getting arrested before the exchange he should have been already removed from the event.

    the police station confirmed that he was being charged with felony criminal trespass (even though he had a press pass and was allowed to be there).
     
  19. jo mama

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    here is more on the lie that tranny giuliani was caught in and the reporter wanted the aide to explain.

    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Video_tribute_to_Giuliani_911_lies_0530.html

    On Tuesday, members of a 911 truth activist group confronted former Mayor Rudy Giuliani at a New York fundraiser about the fall of the World Trade Center.

    "How come people in the buildings weren't notified?" asked one member of the group. "And how can you sleep at night?"

    Giuliani's politely-phrased response, caught by WNBC newscameras filming the event, was "I didn't know that the towers were going to collapse."

    That response contradicts remarks the former New York City mayor made about being warned about the collapse during a phone interview with onetime ABC anchor Peter Jennings on September 11, 2001, as shown in a transcript WNBC obtained from the Giuliani 2008 campaign.

    Giuliani told Jennings, "I--I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us."

    [​IMG]
     
  20. MR. MEOWGI

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    The press pass is meaningless. It has nothing to do with the law. If you are told to leave an establishment and you refuse, you can be arrested and charged with criminal trespassing.
     

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