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Report: James Harden Accountability, P.J. Tucker Contract Among Rockets' Gripes

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  1. rofflesaurus

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    https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ility-pj-tucker-contract-among-rockets-gripes

    Feels like deja vu.

    The Houston Rockets' tumultuous offseason has seen the departures of president of basketball operations Daryl Morey and head coach Mike D'Antoni, but word has now emerged from Kelly Iko, Sam Amick and Shams Charania of The Athletic that there were issues teamwide behind the scenes during the 2019-20 campaign.

    Of note, reported issues with accountability as well as various concerns from shooting guard Eric Gordon, forward/center P.J. Tucker, guard Austin Rivers became prevalent at times during the season.

    On the accountability front, the Athletic relayed a January player meeting in which Westbrook told his teammates what they each needed to do better going forward during a losing streak following a loss to the Portland Trail Blazers. The talk apparently did not sit well with star guard James Harden.


    "A large chunk of the angst, however, stems from a lack of accountability, sources said. During the January locker room meeting following a home loss to Portland, Westbrook, who was leading the meeting, went around the room indicating what was wrong and what each player needed to do to fix the losing streak, starting with himself, sources said. When it came to Harden, however, he wasn’t as receptive to criticism as other teammates, sources said."

    The Athletic also reported that "former teammates have described the culture in Houston as problematic, sources said, highlighting a situation that caters far too much to its stars."

    As for Gordon and Rivers, both men seemed displeased with their roles on the team. Per sources to The Athletic, Gordon "was not pleased with how his role and importance had diminished since the 2016-17 season."

    In regards to Rivers, the Athletic reported the following:

    "At times, Rivers was unhappy with his inconsistent playing time and utilization, sources said. In one instance, Rivers went on an expletive-laden tirade following a game where D’Antoni called for him to be substituted, only to change his mind and insert new signing DeMarre Carroll. In another instance, Rivers was barked at by Harden after the former MVP missed a free throw and blamed Rivers—who was standing up by the bench—for distracting him."

    As for Tucker, the small-ball big man "has been irate over his contract situation all season long" and believes he deserves a raise after seeing other three-and-D players strike rich around the league. He also reportedly "felt insulted" that Houston delayed extension talks and didn't guarantee his 2020-21 salary until the Feb. 6, 2020 trade deadline passed.


    The Rockets had high hopes entering the 2019-20 season after acquiring Westbrook from the Oklahoma City Thunder, but finished just fourth in the Western Conference regular-season standings. They barely snuck by those same Thunder in the first round of the NBA playoffs before losing in five games to the eventual NBA champion Los Angeles Lakers.

    It appears that everything is falling apart at the seams now, with the Athletic reporting that Westbrook wants a trade. Former NBA big man and ESPN analyst Kendrick Perkins also reported that Harden hasn't been returning calls from Rockets brass of late because he's unhappy that he has not been included in the decision-making process.

    In addition, Tim MacMahon of ESPN reported that Westbrook and Harden were concerned about the Rockets' future direction following the front office and coaching turnover.

    Ultimately, we'll soon find out how the Rockets let this offseason play out, as the regular season is slated to begin on Dec. 22 with the draft on Nov. 18 and free agency set to start two days afterward.
     
  2. rockets13champs

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    Are we just gonna sit here and ignore the fact that Daryl Morey created this mess and walked away to a new city? Morey was great and made all the moves he could but to save his legacy he left ship of the very team he created right before imploded? What does that say about Morey? He didn’t wanna take the blame? He left us fans with no draft assets and a team full of upset players.
    1. PJs Anger is not a big deal imo. We are year to year so we either extend and trade him or keep him for another year until Harden decides whether to stay or go
    2. Austin Rivers can walk he’s replaceable
    3. Russ is better away from Rockets than on
    4. House will probably have to be traded for us to get a big man anyway
    5. Eric Gordon will probably be in any deal for a big man as well
     
  3. Audioout

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    You know...CP3 didn't complain about the offense when we were dominating the league. Gordon didn't complain about his role when he was on fire and regularly starting. And Westbrook wasn't complaining about the style of play when he was effective attacking the basket. It always seems like if any of these players struggle, they want to blame everyone else but themselves. All 3 players have been injured which has affected their play and it feels like none of them want to admit this.

    Instead they want to vaguely blame Harden who has managed to never be injured and has not had a down year his whole career, instead coming back a little better each time. So, we're supposed to believe that if Harden could take criticism better, Westbrook would start hitting his shots? Would Gordon not have missed half the season with injuries? Would CP3 have not blown his hammy at the worst possible time?

    As for PJ, I don't blame him one bit but I also don't blame the front office for not giving him his big contract. Love the man's game and professionalism but I'm not sure if his future is with us or not.

    Oh, and House has ZERO room to complain about anything. Dude's contract has value but I'm not sure he's worth having around after the **** he pulled.
     
  4. YOLO

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    It says he’s a genius for getting out of tilman’s shitshow. People who are still trying to blame morey is pure nonsense. Morey had his foundation in tact 2 years ago then came a long a moron with alternate motives that didn’t allow him to do his job at its full potential. To continue to build upon that. Here we are. Tilman made this bed. Lie it in. Those still blaming morey and co for this need to wake up and get some common sense
     
  5. kjayp

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    Gee accountability is an issue... who'd a thunk it...
     
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    Not only that. The other problem left, MDA. He is to blame for not playing young players. With both gone, why are they spinning this as being bad? Fresh start is not a bad thing. Rivers could see more time. These are not unfixable issues and were probably likely to happen anyway.
     
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  7. Audioout

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    Oh, and Austin Rivers...he was one step away from being out of the league and couldn't earn consistent playing time on the freaking Washington Wizards when they were a bottom feeding team. Then he was traded to the Suns who just released him where he passed through waivers because no one wanted him until the Rockets gave him a chance.

    I swear...wants to complain about his role...and it's not even like he's getting less minutes of playing time than usual. He's averaging the same minutes he always gets. But he wants to bark at the coach because he gets pulled out of the game??? What world does this dude live on?
     
  8. Ramo$e

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    Morey created this narrative and completely bowed out. He hired MDA, who didn't play players. Tucker and others under preformed last season so why extend if they are not getting the job done? Morey was the one who bought MDA's small ball scheme allowing him to move JAMES TO POINT GUARD. Let's not act like James Harden didn't have a say in other players or coaches leaving either.
     
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    I just want to say, if I see Eric Gordon in person I will punch him in the face and then complain that I didn't get free throws.
     
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    That’s interesting...a moron calling Tilman a moron and then telling the rest of us to get some common sense.
     
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  11. YOLO

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    You’re definitely one of them. That’s been true for a long time. Literally post the dumbest trash every day and the worst part is you’re too stupid to know it
     
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    Well, Morey is gone.

    If you want to blame someone who is history, please do so.

    He knew the ship was sinking after the CP3 trade, there were few star FAs wanting to join.

    Rats leave a sinking ship early.
     
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  13. rockets1995

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    Too many Divas instead of Alphas in the Locker Room.

    Getting Nut Punched Game after Game and Accepting getting hit shows no one has your back, even Flagrant Fouls, no Rockets cared about their own player getting injured, no one yelled or wanted to fight or retaliate.

    Alot of trades need to be done.

    Austin Rivers - He is declining the player option do not resign him, terrible shooter

    Danuel House - Immature, has value

    Eric Gordon - Injury prone, due to injury he plays like he is 37 yrs old, complains way too much to Referees - Trade him

    Russell Westbrook - Blaming everyone but yourself, Head case, terrible with media.
    Trade ASAP

    P. J Tucker needs to traded for a younger player, that can create for himself and Rebound better.

    Robert Covington can't create for himself and is terrible against guarding Point Guards.
     
  14. Rocket River

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    So.....what *exactly* was his criticism?
    Not what we THINK or SUSPECT.


    Westie has not earned the benefit
    Harden has.

    Rocket River
     
  15. ParaSolid

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    Harden has some problems - he could stand to be a bit more demonstrative in games, and it appears that he should improve his attitude when criticized.

    That said, Harden has carried this franchise for 8 years and has adapted his style numerous times (Dwight, CP, Russ). He picks ups the slack whenever his teammates are injured and hardly misses games. He won an MVP as a Rocket and he's basically a guaranteed second round berth by himself. He's been so consistently great for Houston and I can't believe people who are crapping on him now. Basically he works his butt off in practice, plays like an MVP all year, leads by example, but somehow he's not accountable and he's a problem?
     
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    Just because Harden is a significantly better player than Westbrook doesn't mean he doesn't need accountability. He needs some. If Harden took criticism well there was a good chance we wouldn't have this black hole in Westbrook and still have CP3. He's had player coaches his entire time in Houston and it has allowed him to completely forget basic fundamentals of the game such as moving off ball.
     
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    Thank you!!!! I'm glad somebody sees it. If I was houston I will blow it up. Keep your trade list cause idc im doing whats best for the team.
     
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  18. HP3

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    So you list out these problems out these problems like the nothing burgers they are and proceed to blame Daryl???? Daryl and Mike were the ones holding this together dude.
     
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    What narrtative???? Dude every team has had stuff like this on their team. Mike and Daryl were the ones holding this together, the article said as much. Lol like what players did Mike not play? Gary Clark, Hartenstein and Maclemore???? Cmon. Small ball was FOR WESTBROOK who he did not want. We had no assets left to get a big man cause our picks were gone.

    And James plays like our point guard anyways, so what is the big deal?
     
  20. Haymitch

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    Inaccurate. He flew to a new city. No way he could walk to Philly.
     
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