Report: Chris Paul, James Harden argued about Rockets’ offensive style

Adelman had the Chuckwagon in the high post , so much for a triple threat big man with Scola as his other big ….. and the offense worked splendidly. They just didn't have a star to hitch their wagon to - Kevin Martin was their best player …. with that ugly shot. They overachieved in that offense.


I don't think it fits the current personnel any more than you do … BUT I did enjoy watching it and that was what the post you quoted was about - It was fun to watch , this ISO stuff isn't as fun to watch to me , no matter how great Harden is.


I don't dislike Mike , Dan Or Tony …. I think he's wise to give Harden the ball and let him go to work. He's a transformative offensive player. Those don't come around very often.
Where I think the mistakes have been made is who has been put around Harden …. 30% of your cap for a ball dominant point guard who's not a great defender or high percentage shooter and needs the ball in his hands to be effective when your MVP has the ball in his hands 90% of all possessions just doesn't make sense to me.
Letting quality wings go for financial reasons and having no resources to replace them with similar quality …. rather you get washed up has been's and veteran minimums.

Swap CP3 for PG13 or someone similar and you get more out of both your stars.

 

Are you serious, look at the way this place treats their players when they are performing up to par. It isnt warranted criticism though? Like at all, yea he could have been better in game 6, Im not denying but their shouldt be this much dialogue about offense(especially Harden) when defense and personnel are our biggest issues.

I wasnt really talking about you specifically. And im not disagreeing with youve said the rest of the way.

 

My point is that the game should never have been that close. Not to mention that curry is a great player, hes gonna make plays. It was the law of averages coming about in the worst way. Andre should not have beaten us, LOONEY definitely should not have beaten us.

 

I think many are just still emotionally burned by the series. It’ll fade.

The conversation is always centered on Harden because, for better or worse, he gets the credit when we win, and he gets the blame when we lose. Part of being the superstar. The reason it’s such a topic of discussion right now is because this past series represented an enormous missed opportunity for A) a ring, and B) Harden to cement his legacy.

Luckily...I don’t see much demanding Harden be traded or mad claims to rebuild like past offseasons. That stuff was definitely miserable. But I think most, save for a few fools, are very much pro-Harden.

 

Yea I guess.

Yea but like a fraction of it was his to blame but for the most part, hes by far the reason we were even in this series. And not a lot here seems to really get that, people are talking about the wrong thing constantly on here. Hes facing a team with 4 all nba player and one super role player. We can make improvements on offense yea, but all this stuff about changing it up for Harden when it was largely working is just funny to me.

Yea thats improvement you're right.

 

Draymond thrives at play making and defense. Two things we could always use more of. Not to mention he neutralizes Clint to nearly unplayable.

Ever watch Curry get trapped up high? Happens a lot. Generally the double has to come from Draymonds man because he is the weak shooter, but Curry smartly recognizes the double and gets it to Draymond who now has a lane to drive and create going 4 on 3. Yet another example of just how advantageous it is to have so much shooting talent that generally the poison the opponent is forced to take is to let one of the best release valves in the game have a 4 on 3.

Harden is also often trapped up high. The double generally comes from either Tucker or Clint’s man. Harden smartly recognizes the double and kicks it to one of those guys. Those two are severely limited at that point. If Tucker isn’t in the corner with plenty of daylight he’s not of much use. Clint is even less helpful as a release valve guy.

 

Yes I understand that but harden doesn't get trapped as much as curry. Teams use different tactics like what the bucks and the crazy ass jazz did

Imo pj Tucker's shooting is more valuable for our offense which is slower and iso heavy. Draymond is a terrible iso player

 

People are far more negative about cp3, capela, d'antoni, morey, etc. Lots more hate going to Fertitta too.

 

The trapping has lessened by design. I believe it was a tactical decision to stop setting as many screens for Harden because of the trapping and our release valves inability to take advantage. I believe that’s why Harden so often is just going 1 on 1.

Pick and roll used to be much more prevalent and productive, but teams wised up and stopped letting Harden beat us and forced our other guys to make a play that they aren’t capable of.

You have a guy like Green and the pick and roll becomes much more viable.

 

So harden should have ISOd more

 

His playmaking abilities would severely suffer from this type of offense on the Rockets. He isn't an iso break down the defense type distributor. He thrives on his teammates running and moving without the ball. He would be horrible under our system.

 

Do you guys think we just bring people in and be like you ISO, I think you guys are really misunderstanding how this all works. The sets that the Warriors run with Draymond are the exact same ones Dantoni used to run with David Lee(im exaggerating a little but still) And even if let say we misuse him on offense. Draymond is the best defensive player in the league, that ability alone helps the team out.

 

Yes

Or "you stand at the 3 pt line and wait". One or the other.

 

No, 20% of our plays are iso. And we run the most in the league. We are a pick and roll team first and fore most. You dont think Dantoni can use Draymond when he was using David Lee the exact same way in New York.

 

We are a pick team. We hardly roll, at least in the playoffs. In the playoffs the picks are just meant to get the correct match up to....


Iso

 

Again vast over stating of how much stand around isolation we run.

This season The Rockets ran 22 isolation plays per game out of like 98.5 possessions per game. GS ran 7 isolations per game.

This is an absolute insane take to think he would suck in our system.

He would be a dream big man play maker. We would absolutely never ask him to isolate and distribute. We would feed him opportunities like he gets on Golden state to attack a compromised defense because of the attention Harden gets.

 

Are those regular season or post season numbers? He would absolutely suck in how the offense is run in the post season.

 

Dantoni here is a lot different from what he did in Phoenix

 

That only happens if guys decide to switch the pick, thats not how it works. Our big guys do roll to the basket man, cmon this is crazy.

 

They always decide to switch and Harden purposefully plays it so they do switch by not aggressively penetrating after the pick is set and instead just waits for the switch or trap at least in the playoffs.