Report: Chris Paul, James Harden argued about Rockets’ offensive style

Well a lot of the other plays are PNR which don't have a lot of movement either.

Like cp3 said, this offense needs more movement. Are you agreeing with CP3?

A lot of the plays depend on Tucker playing stretch 4 and hitting corner 3s

 

Double post

 

Not as good as Draymond, no one is voting for PJ(who i love) for DPOY

 

Yea but using your eye test like your some basketball savant, isnt exactly great either. you use data with film. You dont use data and your understanding of the game isnt good enough to where we can take your word for what his happening. I mean seriously, I watch PO games so i know we are running more isos is not good.

 

Agreed


I agree with CP but thats because Cp is player who can no longer iso like that.

But I think its a little weird to act like Dantoni who used David Lee, the exact same way the Warriors use Draymond, wouldnt let Draymond pass it out. Our guys are capable of movement, we just dont have anyone who can playmake outside of James and Chris.

 

That's another aspect of @jordnnnn data dump that is suspect. Are they counting possessions that start with screens for the switch and ends up in an iso in the final 8 seconds on the shot clock as an "iso possession" or a "pick and roll possession".

 

I trust the data over your eye test any day of the week.

 

That's fine. Obviously I wouldn't trust a random poster over NBA.com data but I personally can see holes in how the data is collected and recorded.

 

lol of course. If the data doesn’t backup your beliefs can’t be trusted.

And yes plays/possessions were meant as the same thing

Also have an engineering undergrad. Congrats buddy.

 

Do you trust there data collection methods are infallible? Do you think they accurately distinguish between iso plays and screen plays with the Rockets especially when they are merged into the same play?

I already know how they collect "contested" vs "uncontested" shot attempts is often incorrect.

 

We have guys capable of movement. Just not our main guy.

 

I trust the data available with idea that it’s likely not 100%, but damn near close enough.

I know without question there isn’t a persons eye on this board I trust over the data.

 

Do you check their methodoloy? Do you check how they record type of possessions?

For example, in a hypothetical play where Harden asks to set multiple screens to get the switch he wants which takes 18 seconds off the shot clock and ends with a 6 second iso play by Harden, how do they record that type of possession?

For something you treat so infallibly, I hope you put forth some initial healthy skepticism before you trusted it so infallibily.

Edit: The data for type of possessions as long as they are recorded consistently across all teams, a relative scale can be determined to see how much the Rockets deviate from the mean but I don't trust the data in isolation.

Also, don't NBA team staff use their own collection of data for analysis and not the data that is available to the general public on NBA.com? Understanding basic micro economics, NBA teams aren't going to hire additional staff for data if there already is a recorded set of data they trust which tells me they don't really trust the data that is publicly available.

 

There is nothing I have read on how their data is collected, or evaluations of the data they present as something that is so wildly flawed or inaccurate that it’s not worth your time.

I’m more than willing to be shown data that is proven to be more reliable and change my mind on things.

But just because your eyes tell you that the data is likely wrong doesn’t really mean much to me.

I mean how inaccurate are you claiming this stuff to be?

 

He’s never had a playmaking forward.

That cause he doesn’t have to, offense was not the reason we lost

 

Yea but it’s still closer than what your eye test would show? I’m not questioning your intelligence or anything but eye tests unless they are by someone who really knows the game are faulty to me. Not to say numbers are iron clad cause film is just as important.

 

Is that what he told CP3?

 

Ball movement and Screens suck! Let’s iso and foul bait all day. Works great

 

That is one confusing AF take-down of whatever exactly it is you're arguing against. "I already know for certain" is pretty much the polar opposite of "It seems as if."

So you're saying you're positive the NBA doesn't accurately track certain metrics, but your reason for being so certain is because you have a feeling about it. That's hardly a sound basis for your conclusion.

 

So you think just because Harden didnt run off ball action with Cp3 when he didnt need to, means he woulndt do it when he have Draymond?