Rep. Duncan Hunter Is Concerned That Repealing DADT Will Let Hermaphrodites Serve

Then it should be a simple matter for you to provide a link if you are not lying here.

 

Will he have the guts to strongly "come out of the closet" and say so?

 

dont ask dont tell

why should that be something that needs to be discussed at work?

especially when u shower, change and sleep with only people of the same sex in the military... that is only going to make some people uncomfortable

should it? that is an opinion call, but i guarantee it will

so then what, should there be gay only showers? or should we throw the chicks in the showers with the guys? so then everyone can feel like a piece of meat? lol

dont ask dont tell... there are a zillion reasons why it works

but someone being a sinner that is dead wrong and will burn in h3ll in your core beliefs is a big one lol

and theres a lot of religious people in the army, and your life depending on that person that is dead wrong and a bad person in your eyes... well thats going to stir things up a bit


whats the point of the declaration of the gay thing, so people can treat you differently? dont ask dont tell...

and if u got a dick and a vag, dont ask dont tell also, long as u got your stuff together and you can get the job done

 

And in the 1950's there were all sorts of White men who thought that blacks were inferior dirty and several more nasty words which I don't want to repeat here. The thought of sleeping in the same room with these people made their skin crawl. Integrated combat units offended them much more than the responses for ending DADT would indicate with respect to the current situation. Their friends with a public voice all swore up and down, back and forth that morale would be destroyed, large parts of the army would revolt, and there would be general anarchy which would render the US military completely ineffective. They also pointed out that the Korean War was no time to mess with the morale of our troops.

Sp can I assume that you are of the opinion that we should have kept an all white army for the last 50 years (less cooks and porters)?

 

It's not about advertising to everybody that you're gay. Almost every gay or lesbian I've ever known has never made it a point to let everyone know that they're homosexual. Sometimes you can tell and sometimes you have suspicions but aren't sure, but they don't just come out and say "Hey everybody, I'm gay". It's more about being allowed to be yourself. Not having to pretend to be something you're not. Not having to be on guard when discussing your personal life. Not stressing out, worrying that you'll let something slip and that your job will be in jeopardy.

I'm all for "Starship Trooper" style showers.

Everyone is a sinner. If you're a Christian, you should believe that. You should also believe that those who believe in Jesus are forgiven of their sins. So I don't know why some fundamentalists believe that murderers and rapists can be forgiven and go to heaven while homosexuals are automatically condemned to hell. As if being gay is the ultimate unforgivable sin.

They do give you very thorough physical examinations before letting you join. If you had two sets of genitalia, it would be discovered before boot camp.

FWIW, most Western countries (England, Italy, Germany, France, Canada, etc) allow homosexuals to serve in the military. So for all the fears about the consequences of letting gays serve, there are many examples of it working.

 

@Ottomaton

good job with that comparison... no not really lol?, the black thing... 2 totally different things going on there and im going to do my best to leave it at that

@Cannonball
"It's more about being allowed to be yourself. Not having to pretend to be something you're not. Not having to be on guard when discussing your personal life."

pffffff ITS WORK, either you like your job or you pretend you do, thats life, deal with it, or get a new job, and why are you discussing your personal life at work? because you cant go home and you need to discuss your life? really? DEAL WITH IT

"I'm all for "Starship Trooper" style showers. "

im sure you are, but what about the females that dont like it, lets say for the sake of discussion its your mom having to take that shower, or your daughter? or sister? feeling like a piece of meat, feeling awkward to say the least, well isnt it about whats right? equality... so why should a gay guy thats going to make some of the guys just as uncomfortable or a gay gal thats going to make the ladies just as uncomfortable be allowed in that shower, or changing together


"Everyone is a sinner. If you're a Christian, you should believe that. You should also believe that those who believe in Jesus are forgiven of their sins. So I don't know why some fundamentalists believe that murderers and rapists can be forgiven and go to heaven while homosexuals are automatically condemned to hell. As if being gay is the ultimate unforgivable sin."

see what your missing there is the whole sin and repenting thing, yeah if someone steals or kills or rapes and repents, bam its washed away, but to a christian someone who just gay sexes and gay sexes and gay sexes without repent is a sinner who will burn in hell

as far as i understand it at least, u gotta repent to go to heaven right? and try not to gay sex, u have to want to play by the rules

which brings us back to trust and if your life is on the line do you trust the person whos hands your life is in, will you be able to work with that person, even if your core beliefs are that they are a bad person? a non repenting sinner...

its not as simple as some would make it out to be, if you have to respect gay do you have to respect christian? does it come down to majority rules with this? do you think there are more religious people in the military that think gay is wrong? whats that mean when people are blabbing about it, what kind of situations will that cause, i mean if its ok to be openly gay its ok to be openly christian right? see any conflicts arising there?

dont ask dont tell

do your job, go home

you are born, your life is not fair, you deal with it, you die... hopefully you got some highlights in the middle, either way i promise that is how the story goes

 

and we arent any of those countries, if its not broke dont fix it, i guess some people think its broke though, i just see a ton more alienation and segregation happening if people are running around with rainbow patches on there fatigues lol

im personally not against gay people in the military, or muslims in the military, or martians or whatever you want to throw at me as long as they get the job done, but if they came on a spaceship, i think they should keep it to themselves

i just see a lot more reason to dont ask dont tell, at the end of the day its about what the majority of the people decide right?

we'll see how it goes

 

I love me some semenya?

 

Actually, they're not different at all. You're saying that straight people shouldn't have to be subjected to being around gay people because it could make them feel uncomfortable. Well, 50 years ago a lot of white people felt exactly the same way about being around black people.

First of all, straight people do not get kicked out of the military for discussing their personal lives at work, so it's unfair. If a guy in the military says "this weekend I went to a movie with my girlfriend," that's perfectly fine. If a gay guy says nothing more than "this weekend I went to a movie with my boyfriend" that's not ok.

Second, gay people in the military can't go home and be themselves either. If anyone finds out they are gay, even if they never talk about it AT work, they will be kicked out.

And what you're missing here is that Christian morality should not determine whether or not someone is qualified to be in the military. Many Christians feel that atheists (and perhaps all non-Christians) will burn in hell. Does that mean you also think we should have a don't-ask-don't-tell policy in the military with regards to religion?

Yes, it's ok in the military to be openly Christian. In fact, most people in the military are. No one has ever been kicked out for being caught leaving a church on Sunday.

 

Is this true?

I worked with a lot of known gays in the Navy. Everyone knew they were gay on their own time, and they were fine unless they brought it to work.

 

I believe if there is reason to suspect that you are gay, you can be investigated and you would then be kicked out if evidence is found.

 

Who says gays don't repent? Gays can be Christian, just like everybody else. According to Protestantism, everybody's a sinner. The only path to Heaven is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, he who washes away the sins of the world. Does that mean you automatically stop sinning? No. Everybody sins, even the best among us, Christian or not. But Christians believe that only Christians are forgiven of their sins, thus allowing them to enter Heaven. So who says that a Christian who happens to be gay isn't forgiven of their sins?

It's only those who dislike gays that seem to loft the sin of homosexuality above other sins, as if that's the only one that can't be forgiven. It's barely even mentioned in the Bible. And when people do cite the Bible regarding homosexuality, they tend to cite Leviticus which also contains archaic Judaic law that was canceled out when Jesus established the New Covenant.

I just don't understand why people think that you can be forgiven of your sins unless you're gay, in which case you burn in hell. That seems to be bastardizing Christian teaching to suit one's own agenda.

 

@Steve_Francis_rules
the black thing, not a good comparison at all on your part

"First of all, straight people do not get kicked out of the military for discussing their personal lives at work, so it's unfair."

LIFE IS NOT FAIR, GROW UP. if they are going to change anything, they should make everyone shut up at WORK, at least that would end lots of this, but then the heavy majority wouldn't like that right? and majority rules

"Does that mean you also think we should have a don't-ask-don't-tell policy in the military with regards to religion?"

YEAH I DO, ITS CALLED DONT ASK DONT TELL, and in the military it works

 

@Cannonball

for Christians, the ones that sin and don't repent and try to change are the ones that go to hell, doesn't matter if the sin is killing, stealing or being gay, or any others in their eyes... no1 above the other there

all that other stuff your talking about is just a rant, its ^ simple to most Christians

 

Do these words ring any bells at all: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"? So Congress shouldn't be passing a law that bans people from the military because Christians are uncomfortable with homosexuality.

There's also something in the constitution somewhere about equal protection under the law. So again, Congress should not be passing laws that explicitly discriminate against homosexuals. It's not about whether or not life is fair. It's about the way our country is supposed to work.

Except there is not a don't ask don't tell policy on religion in the military. You can't use religion as a comparison to sexual orientation when people are allowed to be openly religious in the military.

 

If I recall correctly one of the people testifying at the congressional hearing was a gay Air Force officer who was discharged because someone else accused him of being gay to his superiors.

 

Yes life is unfair so people feeling uncomfortable around gays should just grow up.

 

You keep saying this, but you are apparently incapable of providing a logical explanation why this is the case. Most likely because the answer is you personally are repulsed by gay people but not black people.

Though, of course, this isn't a logical explanation, I guess it would qualify as social progress? I imagine your great grandfather would have been repulsed by both. In any case, the problem is you, not the gay person.

 

All it takes is one individual that works with them or even hears about them second hand to make an official complaint, and they will be investigated and kicked out. They currently exist in the military on only as long as those around them don't want to make an issue out of it.

In effect, by not reporting them, you are helping them "commit a crime".

 

@Steve_Francis_rules

"Do these words ring any bells at all: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"? So Congress shouldn't be passing a law that bans people from the military because Christians are uncomfortable with homosexuality."

you are seeing what you want to, they arent just "uncomfortable" it goes against their core beliefs, its just wrong to them

read what im saying if youre going to make accusations, i never said they shouldnt be able to be in the army, i even said im fine with them being in the army, i said it should be dont ask dont tell, and religion should be to, thats the fairest way to do things with everyone in mind, make everybody mute it at work

"Except there is not a don't ask don't tell policy on religion in the military. You can't use religion as a comparison to sexual orientation when people are allowed to be openly religious in the military."

can to and its a lot better than the black comparison... guess you didnt read all of what i said or just arent paying attention...

@rocketsjudoka

again its not just uncomfortable, its much deeper than that for most of the people that have an issue with it

@Ottomaton

thanks for the insult... im just having a discussion and you are insulting me because you dont like what i have to say?

its all good, your grandfathers would probably have not payed attention to what im saying and been childish and insulted me just like you right?

both of my grandfathers served and my family was active during the civil rights movement, in a place where that wasnt the norm, im very open minded, apparently much more than some of you who dont even read what i say youre so anxious to argue

and why you cant compare the 2, well people getting hated for a survival adaptation their genetics have developed over thousands of years because of the sun is not the same as being gay

and personally its to each his own, i got a gay cousin and my best friends mom is gay and im very close to her, and know a few other gay people and im just fine with gay people and black people, that said, it should be dont ask dont tell

and i have not once said that i think anyone shouldnt be able to serve, some of you are reading what you want and well ... its very foolish

i said, if they can do the job, let em join, but as far as religion or sexual preference or extreme beliefs of conspiracy theories or ANYTHING thats going to really complicate things at the workplace... it should be DONT ASK DONT TELL

yall are making this out to be something its not, a better analogy would be listening to the radio at work, if it annoys anyone or messes with them it should be taken away, silence, back to work ... bam problem solved