Remember when Houston was considered a classy organization?

I don't think Van Gundy handled it any better than the Rockets. That he was dealt with in such an unusual way was the result of his declining to discuss contract extensions during the season and repeatedly saying he hadn't decided whether he wanted to come back or not. I'm not that surprised an employer would decline to employ someone who wasn't sure they wanted to be around. Given the position Van Gundy put the Rockets in, I thought they handled it okay.

 

Give me a break, I commend Alexander. He's a business man, and he goes out of his way to try to win. And the bottom line is we haven't been out of the first round of the playoffs in 10 years. 10 YEARS! So why should be all nice and just pat everyone on the back and tell them it's ok. If it's not working, changes need to be made.

I liked Van Gundy too, but he blew it this year. You CANNOT lose game 7 AT HOME to Utah this year. You win that game, we crush GS in the 2nd round and we'd be playing the Spurs right now who we played well in the regular season.

So I'll take the "ahole" everyday that at least tries to bring a winner over a nice guy that accepts mediocrity just to keep everyone happy and not hurt people's feelings...

 

you are right. les is a saint. my bad. i hate to bash "your guy".

i've been arond people like you. have nothing to bring but a random smartarse remark with no real substance.

 

from the sound of it, les decided not to bring jvg back long before game 7.

jvg accepts mediocrity? i dont think thats very accurate.

but you are right, a team should win game 7 at home with a lead with 5 minuets left. Too bad jvg isnt allowed to grab a rebound, play some defense and make a shot.

 

nice post dude...i don't like the way they handled it but I hope Adelman succeeds....if he does, the fans owe a lot of it to JVG and his coaching from the past couple of years......

 

Sounds an aweful lot like 90% of your posts.

Les is not my guy. I have never, ever, never been attached to an owner.

He has done tons of things I have questioned and wondered how it would work out on the end. But you know what else, this is a business, JVG knows that, the players know that, the owner knows, and most of the smart fans know also.

The owner is going to make a business move...he is a business man....I think I will listen to a multi-millionaire all day over a Nerd, sitting his parents basement, downloading p*rn to hang on your dark walls.

 

so by that logic i'm assuming you're willing to trade or waive the entire roster, huh?

suggesting that game 7 was to be won or lost by the coach is beyond silly.

 

thats fine well and dandy, be a business man, business move. ok. Doesnt mean that some bogus story has to be fed to fans. i know thats the way it goes, but that doesnt make it any better. But if your comfortable being fed bs, then im not going to argue.

some money means that you will listen to someone more? those are some good values. make sure you pass that along to your kids. The world doesnt have enough materialistic little brats. awesome life lesson. NO kids, dont listen to what Gandi had to say...he was broke. Jesus? screw him...he didnt have millions, thats what its all about!

and it doesnt surprise me that you make a statement about what you think i am , i.e. "a nerd in parents basement...etc." just further shows how you speak without knowing what the hell you are talking about. No doubt another valued lesson to be passed on to your offspring.

thanks for further affirming that you are someone i should ignore.

 

yup. crunch time is won by players who make the big plays. rockets didnt. i still dont know how this is lost in translation

 

What does any of this have to do with V-Span?



DD

 

lol. i dont know...nothing i guess. better move along to find a thread where you can talk about him.

 

I've always considered firing coaches as the biggest cop outs in sports. Just look at the board at the moment, JVG fired and most are ready to crown the team, as is, as the new powerhouse in the NBA.

Truth is, regardless of who was the coach this year or next or if we made it past the first round or not, this team still has some fatal weakness, they almost over came them in the first round and nearly pulled it out but they are still there.

 

Listen,

I didnt mean that I wouldnt "listen" to you period because you didnt have money.

I meant, I wouldnt listen to you concerning business. I will stand on that until the day they place my cold dead body in the ground.

That makes a ton of sense......I would'nt listen to my Dad about birthing a baby, he never has before!

And wont listen to you about running a million dollar business unless you did it before.

 

I really don't see what Les did wrong. Let's look at this from an owner/employee situation (which it ultimately is).

The owner urges his employee to change the way he works because the owner feels it would be more productive to do so (Les wanting a faster paced offense).

The employee ignores the owners request (JVG not changing his coaching philosophy)

The owner decides to offer the employee extended employment basically saying "Do you want to continue working for me?" and the employee refuses his offer (JVG turning down an extension)

The owner again offers extended guaranteed employment and the employee turns him down (JVG refuses extension a second time)

The end result of what the company is trying to do is a failure (Rockets lose in first round)

The owner calls the employee to ask if he still wants to work for the company and the employee cannot give him an answer (JVG not giving them an answer about whether he wants to return)

And now we have people saying that Les handled it completely without class, etc.?!! Give me a break. Remember LES is the BOSS and JVG is his employee. JVG could not commit to the organization after being asked three times, and still wanted management to wait around for him to make a decision while there was another highly qualified candidate out there. It's not like he's a hall of fame coach that would have that sort of pull. He had three chances to seal his future in Houston and turned them down. How long do y'all want Les to wait, and how many times does he have to bend over and take it from his employee for him to have some class?

 

i completely agree. This team has SERIOUS roster flaws and although i hope and think that some of the younger guys on the bench can be productive some day it wasnt last year and we will be lucky if its next. Even given that those guys step up, rockets will have to address the front line issues. I respect howard and hayes but those guys just wont get it done at the PF spot.

the current roster has been squeezed off all its juice and there just wasnt enough there. time to starting picking some new fruit.

 

I don't think the firing will resonate at all and doesn't show any lack of class on the Rockets part.

People get fired all the time in sports, and rarely does it happen cleanly and without someone thinking the other got screwed.

IMHO, Les asked JVG to do certain things, and JVG did not feel comfortable doing things that way, so for the good of everyone they had to part ways.

To me, the rest is just spin.

The Rockets are still a classy organization, IMO, no permanent damage is done.

DD

 

well i dont really recall telling someone how to run a business. I think i've been sticking to basketball, as a game...not basketball the business.

Even if i was offering advice about business, dont listen. fine. but again, that doesnt mean that i dont have a good point or that i dont know what i'm talking about. again, close mindedness...another excellent trait for the little one.

 

i'd rather have the rockets be classless champions then loyal lotto any day of the week.

like DD said, coaches get fired all the time. now the knicks firing brown after one season is classless. they didn't even let him bring in the players he said he needed to win.

the rockets gave JVG every chance he needed. he turned down an extention. he didn't get results.

les went in a different direction. a direction towards being a contender.

 

no, there wont be permanent damage to the casual nba fan. they dont care. It wasnt that big of a deal, but it wasnt handled the best way either and i think we can all admit that. les wont make it a big deal. Morey wont, and JVG wont.

 

i dont know. its hard to cheer for an a-hole...at least for me.