Remember when Houston was considered a classy organization?

nice post.

i like to think les was a 'different' owner, but he's not and he may even be more of a snake.

he is one evil leprechaun

 

Riiight, all because he fired your guy. If it had been someone you didnt like you wouldnt have said a word.

I have been around opinioned people like you my whole life. You never say a word till some one crosses you.

 

Remember when this forum wasn't filled with JVG thread after JVG thread?

 

How does Les letting JVG go make him classless and an *******? JVG's contract was non-guaranteed for next year. Nobody made him sign that contract. Meanwhile JVG quit the Knicks midseason, doesn't that make him an ******* and classless? And you're upset because someone didn't pick up his contract? Calling him an ******* because he didn't pick up a non-guaranteed contract is what's classic.

 

Not really. It seems like it has been this way all year long. If we won he was a genius. If we lost he was a terrible coach.

Personally, I wanted him gone as soon as the buzzer sounded in game 7. But then I repented and was willing to give him another chance.

I think really I am just a Rocket's fan, and will be win or lose, JVG or Rudy, or Rick A. Period!

 

It's not kosher to offer a job to another coach while the coach you have still has that job. To Adelman's credit, he refused to discuss the position until he'd talked to Van Gundy and obtained his permission. That is class. What Les did wasn't.

Having said that, if Les goes over the cap to get us a good starting point and/or a good starting 4, I'll forgive him. Just this once.

 

The fact is JVG didn't get us over the hump. He had four yrs and some pretty good rosters and he played hard to get and the Rockets decided to look elsewhere. It's a business about winning and if you don't win you don't keep your job. Period.

I hated to see Rudy go but it happens. JVG understands that aspect of the game too. JVG's biggest mistake was not developing the younger players. We could have used Snyder a little more during the year instead of making him a bench fixture. Same goes of Novak and VSpan. JVG never got them comfortable in the rotation and you can't win on a rotation of 7 to 8 players these days.

Most of you called it ugly ball for a reason. It wasn't much fun watching these Rockets play. The last time I enjoyed watching them was when Steve and Cuttino hogged the ball but they at least could score in bunches.

 

as with many things...it's not what you do but how you do it that defines you in the eyes of others.

 

Sig says it all.

 

I'll say this about Les - he's willing to make the big trade to win. You could have worse owners.

 

Yes - much worse like Charlie Thomas-wasted some of Olajuwon's best years by not putting talent around him

 

Over the years I have been one of the most outspoken critics of Les, however in this particular situation he gets more flak that he deserves.

JVG is a fine coach but he is a bit of a princess. He overplayed the entire "poor me, I so wanted to coach, they canned me" angle to pander for sympathy and he got it. At the end of the day, this is a business, and he didn't deliver. As far as firings go we have an example currently in the news - with the fired federal prosecutors - that is so much more classless, sleazy and indefensible that whatever little drama we have with our millionaire coach whose contract was to expire anyway pales in comparison.

Other much more classless acts: Mark Cuban firing Nellie and James Dolan/Isiah firing Larry Brown. In those cases the owners did not even own up to their contractual obligations and fleeced money from the coaches. Those are the types of sleazy deals that should deserve criticism.

I don't know if Adelman is the answer, but the fact is that as hard-working and knowleadgeable JVG is, his personality completely failed to inspire that second gear push that you need to excell in the playoffs. You do need some fire, some spark and he would not give you anything besides the X and Os.

Adelman may not be different, but boy, if we get Mr. Mario "kiss of death, three rings" Ellie as an assistant we wont be lacking anything in the fire department.

 

yes please

give JVG another extension, say 4 years?

 

Uhh... he offered one to him... twice... when everything was hunky-dory, and JVG was getting a band of untalented players (with one injured star) to play out of their minds.

That right there should tell you how Les manages... a lot like people here post after wins and losses.

 

like we had a chance of getting better players....

right...

 

Dude, if you really think JVG was a "princess" just wait until you a load of "whiny" Adelman's act.

 

To the contrary, Les is one of the classest owner in the NBA. Despite JVG damaging Houston's reputation with future FAs, Les gave JVG time to resign and save some face. Despite another four years of playoffs early exits, Les gave JVG a chance on the condition of the Rockets playing faster offense. If it were other mean owners, they would've canned JVG outright. Despite JVG playing the "I'm not gonna make a decision if you don't praise me and hug me" angle, he politely offers JVG a position within the organization so again JVG can have an easy exit. One last thing, Les interviewed other coaches after JVG agreed with it. It was not a surprise when Adleman called JVG.

JVG turned down the Rockets offers of extension twice in the season, and now he acts like the Rockets terminating his contract hurt him like an injured baby. When Les made request of Houston playing a faster game next year, JVG avoided his request by playing the whole "if Les doesn't totally support me, then I'll take my sweet time without giving you guys a clear answer" game. That's what happening folks, JVG stalled the Rockets with this "love me and kiss me and I'm all yours" crap so that he can avoid Les' demand and have his way with Les. In the end he got what deserves, a swift kick in the rear which brought an ending to this whole drama. JVG is a drama queen and sadly his drama sells some tickets.

 

The Rockets had talent around Dream. One had a bad knee, the others did cocaine.

 

Um, not to burst your bubble, but that's what most people do.