umm go read about solar cycles and ocean currents/pressure systems. Those factors have a direct impact on temperature. I will refrain from any personal attacks here but don't be a "simple jack" like you stated and do some research on the topic before posting. Regards
John Coleman is NOT qualified. He was a weatherman. ie. an Ed Brandon. He made a nice career out of reading someone elses forecasts but would you listen to what Ed Brandon has to say about Global Warming? Edit: one last thing. The Earth is warming. Let's not get into why for now but I don't think even you will deny this. Will you please set Mojoman straight on this issue? He made this thread about Global Warming because it was cold outside.
In those fields? I certainly hope so. I love how one snowstorm or one bad (and mildly unrelated) prediction provides evidence to doubt the entirety of anthropogenic global warming. Hilarious. Where were you guys this summer during the heat wave? lol
I think both sides are in agreement that a warming trend has been occurring over the last couple of decades. The argument is why......
The truth is the answer is unknown. They are scientists who would claim that it is because of man made cause on the planet. Other scientists claim that we have a limited amount of research because our records on retaining the temperature on go back for about 100 years and it could be natural evolution of the planet. Both arguments make sense but the fear is if the 1st scientists are correct we maybe too late to solve the problem.
You and I are in agreement on this point, so I do not know why you would think that I need to be "set straight on this issue". I do believe global warming exists. I have addressed this question repeatedly here on this board, but maybe you did not get a chance to read those remarks. Actually, I posted the paragraphs below earlier in this very thread. But for your convenience, here they are again: It is important to differentiate between "global warming" and "antropogenic global warming" (or AGW for short). Anthropogenic global warming is the man-made part. That is really the only part that is disputed, and rightfully so. As far as "global warming" goes, the Earth has been warming and the Arctic ice sheets have been melting since the last ice age. Here is a depiction of what the Earth may have looked like around 12,000 years ago: Clearly, the Earth was colder then, and it is warmer now. The observation that the Arctic ice cap is melting is an observation that goes back around 12,000 years. Nearly all of the melting that has occurred, occurred prior to the industrial age (which goes back less than 200 years). All of the melting that occurred prior to the beginning of the industrial age is obviously not a result of "anthropogenic global warming". And now, over the last 10+ years, the Earth has actually cooled a bit. We are not at all time highs even within our lifetimes. Here is an article from the BBC on the topic: What happened to global warming? If the effect of CO2 that has been and is being pumped into the atmosphere is as compelling and dangerous as the AGW alarmists suggest, then how is it possible that the Earth has actually cooled over the last decade? If you take the predictive climate models used by Al Gore and his associates at the United Nations seriously, then we are in a state of crisis, the situation is dire, the need for corrective action is urgent and their is no time for delay. But truth be told, none of these predictive climate models used by Al Gore and the UN predicted the cooling period that we are now entering. But here it is anyway. What are we to make of that? What these people have been preaching to us is not reliable science. It is agenda-driven propaganda. Once again, the Earth has certainly warmed. But the so-called science surrounding the claims of the AGW alarmists is weak and not sufficiently substantiated to warrant betting our economic futures on. There needs to be a lot more work done on this.
Oops. Explain this then. From the same site you linked. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2010/02/january-2010-warmest-on-record.shtml
What is there to explain? The climate changes constantly. It has done so for as long as the Earth has revolved around the Sun. There never has been any stability in the climate here on this planet. The Earth's climate has always been changing. It has been changing, it currently is changing, and it always will be changing, until it is finally annihilated by our Sun's eventual supernova, which will finish this planet for good. January was warmer than usual. Considering how cold December was, and how cold February currently is, I am sure many people are currently regarding the warmer days in January with fond remembrance. Please do not be confused, I am not trying to peddle some exactly opposing theory to counteract the AGW alarmism assertions. Nor am I trying to promote any scare tactics suggesting the onset of an imminent ice age, as the same people who have brought us AGW did back during the 1970's. Here is an article by Newsweek titled "The Cooling World," which was just one example among many of the global cooling propaganda that was being promoted just 35 years ago.
I see you still don't understand the difference between climate and weather. Once you figure that out maybe we can talk about how precipitation and temperature are two separate things.
I love it how you just contradict yourself. I agree one snow storm cant disprove Global Warming but it's EXACTLY why one Hot day or one heat wave CANT prove Global Warming. so you just basically argued against yourself.. hilarious....
Are you saying you do not believe the climate has changed constantly since the Earth was formed? Really? Do you believe there was a long period when the Earth's climate was steady and unmoving? When was that? And when AGW alarmists site evidence to support their theories, what do the site? Weather data, no? Precipitation is different than cold, but correct me if I am wrong, didn't we just observe a big scandal at the IPCC regarding estimated time frames for the melting of the Himalayan Glaciers? Do you know what glaciers are? They are made of layer upon layer of fallen, compacted snow. When its suits the AGW alarmist's purposes, these kinds of weather events and weather data are promoted as legitimate science and irrefutable facts. But when this data contradicts the currently trendy AGW theories, then these kinds of observations are regarded by these same people as illegitimate and worthy only to be ignored or discredited. You cannot have it both ways.
I see you still dont know how to look at scientific facts. If you looked at the facts and still come to your own conclusion that is fine. But MojoMan and myself have been providing you with data and facts trying to make a coherent arguement. While you resort to one liners. Please explain why you think there is Global Warming and back it up with facts. Just from a very very HIGH level here are a few facts for you. -According to all the Global Warming alarmist If CO2 is the main cause of Global Warming and CO2 is increasing at a rapid rate (Gore and his people love using the Keeling curve - it's the hocky stick curve if you dont know what that is). Well then why has avg temperatures been on a huge decline since 1998. The same thermometers they used to measure that the 90s were on a huge warming trend are now showing that since 1998 we are on a cooling trend. Doesnt this simple fact right here disprove that more CO2 does not EQUAL higher temperatures. Since CO2 has been constantly increasing in our atmosphere. How come you dont hear this from the Global Warming maniacs now? Now they are trying to change their tune and call it Climate Change. Well DuH the CLIMATES CHANGES!!! its been changing for billions of years and will change till you and I are long gone. + In addition CO2 is still a trace gas. Do you know what that means? It is only 380 parts per MILLION!!! if you dont understand that it translates to .038% of the atmosphere. And most of it is naturally occurring. You and I exhale CO2 if you remember from biology class in elementary school. So I have given you a few facts to ponder. Again I only asked you keep an open mind and question yourself why you so strongly believe in Global Warming. What facts have you seen? what science or scientific studies have you seen that convinces you so much that man is causing Global Warming. You do know AL Gore's movie "Inconvenient Truth" was labeled biased, political and a opinion piece by the Britch Court right? They did this because they proved that there 7 huge factual errors. So please share why you think there is global warming and dont just go discredit anyone who has a different view than you. We can disagree and that is fine but please explain why other than just resort to one liners.
Yup I was going to add the Global Cooling, Impending Ice Age propaganda too. I dont know where and when everyone grew up. But when I was in elementary school that is what they taught us. They taught us we were on a trend for another ice age!!! Then sometime in the late 90s it suddenly turned to Global Warming!! wow from ice age to global warming! ..
that depends on what time frame you look at. Has the earth been warming for the last 30-40 years? YES it has. And like it was explained earlier the Earth constantly goes through cooling and warming phases. They can date this back to the middle ages. But has the earth been warming the last decade? Than the answer is NO. It has actually been cooling like I explained in a previous post. This is something the IPCC doesn't deny either. They now call it Climate Change. In 1998-2000 all the Global warming alarmists predicted we were on a huge huge warming trend and that avg temperatures were going to climb 5-10 degrees. Well it hasnt! it has gone down!! Now I don't like referring to avg temperatures because I feel the way they gather Avg temperature is flawed, which i wont explain why here. But if they use it to argue warmer temperatures than you would have to use the same measurements to show lower temperatures.
Two minutes in he started talking about taxes and how cutting carbon emissions would have an impact on our way of life, and he lost me there, and I stopped listening. That`s a political position. That`s why the deniers deny, because they don`t want to pay. If his intention was to talk about the science of the matter then he should have stuck to the science.
Really minor point, but industrialization or the "industrial age" began more than 200 years ago, not less. 1780 is when it really started blowing up and London became black. I am not arguing, and I have nothing else to add because I don't care but in the pursuit of "truth" one must always seek to improve. As such, I hope you have been helped.
And this, of course, applies to you as well. This is why we know that your position on this issue is purely manipulative. You were one who used to say that a few storms and a few years of warming didn’t prove anything, but now you’ve flip-flopped and are trying to imply that a few cold weather incidents do prove it isn’t happening. You change your reasoning opportunistically to take whatever position you think will help you trick people into taking the side of an issue you want them to take. You’re not trying to present facts and make a sound argument to convince people of the validity of your position. You’re just a straight con man who flip-flops and who will say anything you think will help you trick people.
