come on!!! this is so ridiculous! was anyone honestly confused? did some third party interpret it as a statement of fact?? by the way...to the author of the statement...to a person of faith...it is a statement of fact...that's where his faith rests.
I was going to add that this seems to be a practice that only Christians (of which I am one) take part in--to the point that many of them seem to think it's socially acceptable. Thanks for making that unnecessary. There ARE other religions in this world. Most of them pre-date Christianity, so if you shove some Christian doctrine into a public forum, chances are good that you'll offend someone. At least to the point that they'll make roll-y-eyes, anyway.
again...did you really confuse this as a statement of fact?? i've met muslims who are every bit as adamant about proclaim Allah as the one true God as Christians are about proclaiming salvation through Jesus Christ.
Exactly Pole, if someone came in here and said that Mohammed was the only perfect one to ever walk on the Earth, there'd be all kinds of outcry.
Wow Max....your posts were only 16 minutes apart. In the first one, you claimed that to someone of that faith, it is a statement of fact, now you're asking if I've confused it with a statement of fact. Who is confused? What I said.....again.....is that it's offensive to people of other faiths when a person of one faith proclaims their faith's doctrine---in the form of a statement of fact----in a public venue. What is so hard to understand about that? I would hope that ALL faiths are adament in their beliefs. That's precisely why they need to be more aware that they are co-existing with other faiths on this planet. But here...at clutchcity.net...Christians appear to be the least sensitive to this fact.
1. I posted the exact same thing in the post above..you even quoted it when responding to me! It is a statement of faith in a thread entitled "Religion Questions." Yes, to its author it is ultimately a statement of fact...but do you see it that way? Of course not! It's a statement of faith. Don't pretend or act like you somehow were confused here...like you were tricked into believing it was a statement of fact...it was very very clearly a statement of faith. 2. We have had countless people within different denominations and faiths stand up here and make assertions...we have atheists who roll their eyes at us as well, making their own statements of "faith." We've had people take direct jabs at Christians, Muslims, Jews, Mormons and others. We've had people from all those groups make all sorts of assertions of faith here. Sorry if you're offended by the Christians...but it doesn't mean that I won't say again that Jesus is the Son of God. RM95 - come on, man...that's so simplistic. we all have friends from different faiths...i've looked people in the eye who've told me i'm dead wrong about Jesus and dead wrong about the existence of God in general....and the same has been done here.
oh boy... this is gonna be quite a debate... What I don't understand: someone asks a question about religion. Someone else gives an answer that involves religion. Why is that "forcing it down anyone's throat?" You ask the bbs a question, you're going to get a whole spectrum of beliefs. Some of them just might be Christian. How else is he supposed to honestly give his answer to the question? If someone else came in here and said there was none perfect other than, say, Mohammed... fine. I have no problem with someone saying that, whether I believe they're right or not. (ducking and covering in anticipation of being assaulted by rolling eyeballs)
A rolleyes is every bit as much a religious statement as saying Jesus is the Messiah. How is a statement that Jesus is the only one who has not sinned (which was at least pertinent to the topic) more of an affront to a person's religious sensibilities than a rolleyes, which is short form for saying Jesus is not the Messiah? On the subject though: I think there are 2 things in this country that cause the rift in the denominations: doctrine and war. In doctrine, there are some things that are considered so extremely vital to one's religious life that churches have decided it was better to cut themselves away from their brothers than to be dragged with them into disobedience. Baptists, for example, feel very strongly that a baptism should only be performed for people who are actually Christians and not just folks you hope will become Christians; and they won't profane the sacrament just to get along with others. The Presbyterian church split into PCA and PCUSA a couple of decades ago because one camp (that became PCA) wanted the church position to be that the Bible was the literal word of God, but the majority wouldn't go along with that. These are important things that Christians don't feel they can compromise on, so they split the church instead. The second thing is that the Civil War split the church in half as well as the country. The Southern Baptists are a direct result of this. In fact, in Protestantism, denominations usually split on borders. There is a denomination in Quebec which is basically just like the PCA, but it is separated by langauge and national borders. But, there is also been a movement recently to combine churches again. Again with the Presbyterians, the Civil War had split them into the PCUSA (or its predecessor) in the South and another one in the North (Orthodox Presbyterian Church or something like that). The OPC and PCA, as I understand it, are very similar in doctrine and are considering uniting into a single denomination. There are also efforts to reunite churches doctrinally. For example, the Pope amended the position on how one achieves salvation a while back to put more emphasis on grace, which brings the Catholics more in line with the Protestants (and the Bible). Some Protestant denominations have responded in kind by admitting there is more to works than they had previously wanted to admit (a concession to the Catholic position).
exactly...crying about having religion shoved down your throat after you click on a thread called "Religion Questions" is disingenuous at best.
MadMax, I wasn't thinking of you. There would be many responses similar to RMTex's if someone posted that. I gurantee it.
Gimme a friggen break! Religion can...and should be....discussed in a public venue without shoving your own personal doctrine down everyone's throats. Isabel's response was just a little too simplified. Lil Pun asked "why is it that some religions cannot get along ....," and mr_gooten answered with "All have sinned. There is no one perfect other than Jesus Christ. It all starts with this solid foundation, and remaining on that foundation." Not exactly an answer to the question and--although we know it's faith based---it was written like it's a statement of fact. RocketManTex appears to have been offended (although Juan sees it differently); I stood up for him. end of story. I stand by my original assertion.....mr_gooten's remarks...though they may not be offensive to you....can be offensive to many.
mr_gootan, Madmax, Pole, Isabel: listen! You will all burn with the infidels if you do not embrace the words of Bob Dobbs!
Bible says don't question/argue about eachothers belief because it causes more confusion... and defeats God's purpose. The Bible says "who says your doctrine is correct, so don't question anothers." (forgot which book it's in) God made different denominations for different people.. Your purpose is to go out and spread God's kingdom to others whether your baptist or pentecost, don't argue about doctrines amongst each other and confuse the unsaved. I'm a Assembly of God/ Non-denominational follower, and I go to church's with all kinds of followers from Catholics to Baptists. (Lakewood & The Worship Center) People shouldn't segregate in beliefs with Christ, because Christ see's his children all the same, so we must try to do the same. If you feel another's belief is doing wrong don't bother mentioning to them or others, PRAY ABOUT IT, and God will lead you.
