[Religion] being friends with the kuffar (non-believer)

The quote about various Christian groups distributing the bible is in the context of comparing it to the idea that Quran isn't fully understood unless it is read in Arabic. The structure of that paragraph is set up as a compare and contrast.

I'm not arguing against facts. Even in the quote you selected about the word says that it means different things in different situations. When something is that nuanced, I'm not going to take the word of non-Arabic speakers who's goal is to portray Islam in a bad light over people who don't have that bias.

 

My mother is from Iraq, just in case you didn't know.

The translators of the Quran were all fluent in Arabic.

In my last post I outlined and showed where 'Allah' speaking through Mohummad forbids having close relations or friendships with non-Muslims in other Quranic verses & Hadith.

The quote that was used that showed the interpretation of the word could mean a number of things, depending on the circumstances, included Friend among the interpretation of the word.


Edit: at the end of the day, we as humans have freedom of choice and free will. We have the ability to choose friends on the content of their character and not on the colour of their skin or religious beliefs, no matter what either religious doctrine has to say.

 

It's "whose" (pet peeve).

So are you saying that nobody who doesn't speak Arabic is ever allowed to criticize Islam - or at least that you will always take the word of someone who is NOT critical of Islam and who DOES speak Arabic over anyone else's word?

Yeah, that's what you are saying.

 

The problem when you jump to your own conclusions like you've done in this post is that you get it wrong a lot of the time. That's what happened in this post. You've either misunderstood my point, or more likely, chosen to misrepresent it.

I'm fine with non-Arabic speakers being critical of Islam. Being critical of Islam is different than being biased against it. Also being critical of it is different than misinterpreting words.

But it's easier for you to prove your point if you are arguing against something you made up yourself rather than what I actually said.

 

Aramaic and Arabic are not the same language. If you are Assyrian your family most likely spoke Aramaic.

 

Maybe slightly off topic, but just a couple years ago me and three friends were on a rafting trip in Peru. All four of us are Muslims. The trip is going to be three days in the wilderness and there are almost 20 people on this trip. Us 4 Muslims and 16 Israeli army peeps. It was ever so slightly awkward when we all introduced ourselves to each other the first night. But soon enough we were all cracking pretty racist jokes with each other.

Us four are the only ones that did not know how to put our tents together and some of those guys and girls had to put it together for us.

We met up again a few days after our trip was over and got drunk together. I even got invited to Tel Aviv to their houses to party together.

I think that was pretty cool. Moral of the story - get all Jewish and Muslims drunk and turn on some music.

They told me the whole Jewish-Muslim thing is exaggerated on American TV, but I'm not too sure on that one.

I don't have any Jewish friends (or maybe I do, I never ask anyone for their religion before speaking with them lol). Two of my immediate neighbors are Jewish and we have had bbq's, etc. together.

Cool story I know.

 

Awesome, R0ckets03. Even if it were without alcohol - that's how it should be. Why can't everyone just get along?!

P.S.: If you can, accept the Tel Aviv invitation - it's really a fun place (when there aren't rockets coming down at that moment ).

 

90-95% of Assyrians speak fluent Arabic, as well as their native tongue. Some even have added Farsi (Persian) to their dialect due to the close proximity to the Iranian border, or due to the fact that they live in Iran.

A lot of the older Assyrians also speak French, my mother is fluent in Arabic, Aramaic/Syriac and French.

 

your german is seeping out.

 

Nope. It doesn't make sense with "anybody". I guess it should be "anybody...never". I said "Nobody...ever".

 

If you all would just become atheists, it would make things a hell of a lot easier .

But seriously.

I fail to recognize why what the literal translation of the Quran matters in this instance. Sure it might be a fun scholarly debate, but the real thing to discuss is how Muslims actually interpret it. I have Muslim friends (some of whom are really devout) who know I'm an atheist (in fact, I'd wager the school I attend is >50% secularist), and they have no problem with it.

For example, I found it interesting that one of the above posters said that he tried to convert his friend to Islam after a time. I find this practice absurd. I also find evangelist Christians absurd as well. Religion do color our interactions to an extent (I would think it impossible to believe in an all-mighty deity without viewing the world in a god-centric way), but it shouldn't be a means of prejudice.

 

Looks like Mathloom has tapped out again...amazing how silent he becomes when he is called out and exposed.

Still love ya Bro...(No Homo.)

 

Probably just busy.

I disagree with him a lot, but to be fair, I never had the impression that he ran from a discussion.

 

Maybe, juts maybe.... you are just annoying, and people get tired of your schtick???

Still love ya Bro...(No Homo.)

 

That's the nicest thing that you've ever said to me...

 

Bump...waiting for answers to questions or the white flag.

 

The lunacy of people of one religion criticizing other religions. "It's a mad house!"

 

If two groups of religious people are arguing with one another in favor of their own religions, how can you tell who won?

 

The atheist observer.

 

This wasn't an argument for or against either religion, but rather a discussion on the translation of a verse and its meaning in the Quran.