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[Relationships] Getting out of a bad long-term one...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Isabel, Jan 16, 2006.

  1. ArtV

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    Sishir Chang - I don't want this turned into a D&D discussion. This is Isabel's life and future. I truely meant it for what is worth. If guilt or sin are bothering Isabel, I feel that looking in a bbs, as fine a bbs as this is, is not going to give her a true answer. If she wants true answers, there is only 1 place to get them as a Christian and it's not Clutchfans.

    For my own life: Not my rules, His. Not my path, His. Not my desires, His.

    I've had some very tough times but I'm here today to say, I've never been disappointed when I've followed Him, but I have been disappointed when I have not.
     
  2. Fatty FatBastard

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    I wish that I could
    hold you now
    I wish that I could
    touch you now
    I wish that I could talk to you
    Be with you somehow
    I know you're in a better place
    Even though I can't see
    your face
    I know you're smilin'
    down at me
    Sayin' everything's OK
    And if I make it out this
    thug life
    I'll see you again someday
    I wish,I wish,I wish,
    I wish,I wish,I wish
     
  3. reggietodd

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    As short as human life is, this thread is sad.

    Isabel, live a little, and have fun.
     
  4. Isabel

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    Update time. (is anyone else awake in here? please let somebody be here to reply to this... not just the really drunk ones coming in from the bars right now)

    So, I got the keys, moved some stuff into it (not enough to be really conspicuous when he got home). After he had been home a couple of hours, he called me to see where I was and when I was coming back. Well, this time I wasn't. You can about guess the conversation that followed.

    Most of it was in an accusing, I'm-right-you're-wrong tone. "Terrible. Just terrible." "How could anyone do such a thing?" Apparently I ripped a big piece out of his heart and he's walking around with a dagger in it. His life is diminished forever, just because I got what I wanted. The only thing or person that could make him feel better would be having his wife there. I'll talk to him by phone and email, but he's upset that I won't see him in person at any set point or tell him where my new apartment is. I didn't tell him, but I did say, "you wouldn't do anything psycho, would you?" He said, "I'm not the one who's acting psycho."

    He thinks I'm not only mentally disturbed, but selfish and sinful. I got called just about everything. The preaching was a big part of it. He says I'm going against the will of God and it will have bad consequences for me. His tone was mostly accusatory (at one point he lapsed into being sad and upset, and said he may as well be struck dead tomorrow and he might not mind because he has nothing to look forward to). Even if I tried to phrase it as just taking a break for my own psychological health, and not knowing what the future would bring, he didn't like it. He wants me to work on things with him and commit to the marriage. (sorry, I do not have the stomach for that) He doesn't understand the relationship was not there as far as I was concerned. He believes he's done the right things and been a good husband, and that I just insist on running away.

    So... I finally got him off the phone (took forever) but I'm under such a huge load of guilt right now that I can't even describe it. :( I tell him I do care about him and things will get better, but he doesn't believe me. I guess I'm supposed to sacrifice all those things I thought I was supposed to do and go back and try to please him, so he won't hurt? That's what I always did before. So it's not like I haven't tried. I hope he's OK... I don't want to be held responsible for someone else's downward spiral... I just feel like scum of the earth right now. Yet there was nothing else I could have done except go back to that unpalatable, emotionally manipulative situation... right? Anyone awake in here? I've never even dumped anyone before...
     
  5. reggietodd

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    Isabel. I'm drunk, but you are doing the right thing. Anyone who tries to make you feel guilty doesn't love you. If he did he would respect your decision. Don't let another human being bring you down. You are your own person, you need to look out for you and only you because nobody else will. Don't worry about what other people think, be your own person and live your life. Somteimes its ok to be selfish, sometimes its the only way to be truely free.

    Sweet! I made a drunk post that rocked and made sense!
     
  6. bejezuz

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    Many of your negative feelings may be the result of the things that were said to you tonight. A manipulator never stops trying to manipulate, at least not in my experience. They always think that they can control the situation, that they can get what they want by making others feel bad. That's what this sounds like to me.

    Stick to your guns. You feel bad, but that is natural. But I wouldn't trust your feelings on this one, that is for sure.
     
  7. Fatty FatBastard

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    No offense, Izzy, but ask yourself this....

    According to his religion, is he[/] going to Hell?

    Then why is he demonizing you? Good Lord, woman, let him go, and realize no faults! Had he cared, or even had a lick of courage in himself, he would've treated you appropriately.

    Look, I'm an ass...... But I'm good when it comes to problems of the heart.

    It is one of the only things that I do care about.
     
  8. arkoe

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    I'm not drunk, and you're still doing the right thing. You knew this wasn't going to be easy and that he was going to call you out for it when he found out. Take some Nyquil and try to get some rest. It'll work out. Whatever you do, don't give in. Good luck.
     
  9. Isabel

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    Thanks to all of you for your support (who are up this late)... and arkoe must be psychic because I did pack a bottle of Nyquil on purpose. :) Not that I'll even need it, being this exhausted... time to fix the bed and hang up the shower curtain. I just hope Ferdinand is able to pick himself up and be OK. Fortunately (I think), I've gone too far this time to be easily pulled back.
     
  10. Dubious

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    He will go through all the standard steps of grief:

    shock and denial
    anger, rage, envy, and resentment
    bargaining
    depression;
    ultimate acceptance


    It's just human nature.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    What??? No Way?
    YOU SUCK, YOU SELFISH TWIT !
    What if I buy you a new car?
    Man, I don't want to get out of bed.
    Isabel who?


    Yep, that seems about right.

    DD
     
  12. Falcons Talon

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    I know I said I would bow out now, but this is the next level.

    Isabel, I've been where you are. You've taken the hardest step. Now you just have to stick to your decision. He's going to do everything he can to push the right buttons, and after so many years, he knows exactly which ones to push. Keep conversations to a minimum. Don't let yourself be attacked. Don't call to see how he is doing, because he will emotionally atack you again.

    Trust me. I've been through this.
     
  13. VesceySux

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    Isabel, hang in there. It may seem bad now, but everything will be okay. Get with friends. Get with family. They'll help pull you through this.

    River: "Storm's getting worse."
    Mal: "We'll pass through it soon enough."
     
  14. giddyup

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    Actually it is Ferdinand and/then Isabel. That's the problem.

    I'm glad you've made a move. Are you lapsed Catholic by chance? You are big-time buying into his viewpoint here...
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    [Threads] Getting out of a bad long-term one...





    ;)
     
  16. Fatty FatBastard

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    BTW, FWIW, the last time an Isabel was associated with a Ferdinand, they were both assassinated.

    Run, Isabel, run!

    (lame WWI ref.)
     
  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I'm :) for you that you have removed yourself from a bad situation, and :( for you that you are feeling so bad about it. In time, if he really wants to, Ferdi will be able to get his life together, humans are resilient creatures. If he doesn't it is not because of anything you have done or not done. You cannot completely subjugate your desires to tend to those of another, and if they really loved you, they wouldn't want you to. I hope everything works out for you in your new circumstances, you have already taken one of the hardest steps. Good luck, and God bless.
     
  18. Invisible Fan

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    If you're miserable being with him, then you're not living your life to its fullest.

    If you're all the man has while knowing that you're like this, then he's not living his life to its fullest.

    Even if you care for the bugger, best let him stew in reality for some months on his own.

    It's not only a big step for you, but also for him. You made a choice to open new opportunities. He was forced into it.

    So dont blame him. Don't analyze his actions. You should feel guilty. It's a natural emotion. But also don't let guilt get in the way of making good decisions for your well-being.

    Denying your feelings and wants is how you got into this situation in the first place. Many people think denying or hiding their desires is a sign of mastering them. They usually end up in bad relationships or drug rehab.

    The payoff is there if you can get back on your feet and regain your confidence.
     
  19. droxford

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    Wow! He used a full torrent of manipulation tactics! Let's see...

    he was angry at you..
    he called you names...
    he belittled you...
    he accused you of selfishness...
    he blamed you for lack of commitment...
    he used religion and God against you...
    he used pity against you....
    he threatened suicide against you....

    This guy's a real piece of work. He did just about everything except take some accountability for his relationship falling apart.

    And that "sinning" stuff.... what a load of crap. We all sin every day. The best we can do is learn from it and try not to let it happen again.
     
  20. Isabel

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    Thanks for all your support... I tend to be in agreement with those who think he's manipulating me.

    Unfortunately, he called again after work tonight... so, why not, if he's going to bother me, I'll just write some of it down.

    “So, how long are you going to keep doing this?”
    “I’m going to keep asking. It’s only right.”
    "I spoke with my mother today, and she had lots to say about you. I’ll just leave it at that."
    (tone of voice indicating that it wasn’t good)

    Him: "So what are you doing tomorrow?"
    Me: "Well, the choir is performing at the minister's installation ceremony..."
    Him: "Sorry I can't make it, I'll be at work." (I know, that's one of the reasons I felt like I could even tell him.)
    Me: "That's quite all right. Did you think I was expecting you to come?" (he wouldn't have usually come to little things like that)
    Him: "Because my wife is performing. That’s entirely natural."

    Me: "Do I have to tell you what I’m doing every day?"
    Him: "It would be nice. It would be the responsible and mature thing to do."

    “The fact remains that I am your husband. It would be nice if you were to show some common courtesy in that regard.”

    [has the nerve to expect me to go eat lunch with him tomorrow]

    "You’re pushing me around."
    "You see what you’ve done to my life?"
    "I was not given a fair chance and I was not treated right myself."
    "My mother was wondering if you were capable of a mature relationship, and we want you to figure out what you're doing."
    "I love you – faults and all"
    “The possibility that this separation might be permanent – it’s illicit. I cannot accede to that. It’s wrong.” (yes, he does use those big words all the time)
    “Now, what can we do to get your heart back?”
    “How could any fair-minded person not choose the option of love and charity?”
    “I’m making a good faith effort to be the best husband I can be.”

    What followed was a looong discussion with him asking how he could improve the relationship and what he could do to be a better husband. He claimed to just want to comfort me. (tone of voice is very cold and distant, though... too much logic and not enough heart) He still thinks of himself as better than me, or I get that impression. Needless to say, he denies it when I say it's a guilt trip. He always ends up making me cry and feel like I have to at least do something that would technically give him a possibility for a second chance, though I try to tell him the relationship is dead and may not be able to be revived from my end.

    “You have one chance in life for this kind of thing. I could never feel this way about anybody else."

    Is he going to start this every night? It's not going to be cool when the work week starts and I need my sleep. He just insists that there has to still be something there in our relationship. It makes me feel like I "ought to" give him a chance. The problem is that my gut reaction is - I can't stomach it, he's scary, run away. That my only chance for true love is to get this guy out of the way first, since he's not it. That he really wants his security back but isn't going to have true feelings for me. But I can't prove this. I also can't prove the things I feel are true about his attitude, since they don't really lend themselves to logical proofs...

    Most of what he was saying, especially at the beginning, made me want to just call a lawyer and file papers as soon as I'd moved my stuff out of the house. Because this is ridiculous. He still seems to think I can and should come back anytime. He wants me to be aware of the hole in his heart and how he only got an hour or two of sleep last night. Oh well... what do you guys think? The problem is that I try to analyze everything too much and wonder if I did give him a fair chance. I know I may not have lately. The problem is all the years before that, when I did and it wasn't working. You run out of chances to give people after a while. I just think this one is screwed up, we don't have any kids, we should both start over. I just cannot stomach the thought of hanging out with that controlling guy or having his hands on me... as always, feedback welcome...
     

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