You have been pretty vocal about your stance on Artest. All i'm saying is don't you kind of see the same problem in Artest vs. Maggette? Low bball IQ, ball stoppers, never met a shot they didn't like..... It just seems you can dress this up anyway you want, we're still left with guys that aren't exactly winners that play selfish who don't fit well. Just my opinion.
Magette has a fine BBall IQ.... I think he has been playing on bad teams, sometimes when you get to a better team with better players you fall in line. Mike Bibby comes to mind.... I think Magette would fall in line with his Duke pal Battier... Players that get to the line so often and score the ball so well are not that easy to find .... Magette would make this team so so so much better, IMO. DD
Definitely gotta agree to disagree on that one! I hate playing the "let's pretend a trade solves everything game" but i'm honestly starting to become open to the idea of moving Artest or upgrading the point somehow. As long as it's a practical move.
That's cool. What gets me, is why we are somehow worried so much about 2010? Let's win now.....let teams try to cobble something together in 2010...and meanwhile we rape them of talent so they can be ready.. DD
Maggette plus his contract is a large net negative. One of the dumbest signings of the off-season. He is a smaller version of Zach Randolph.
Wow...I vehemetly disagree with you there......Magette is a unique offensive talent....an attack the basket guy who gets to the FT line so often. Imagine that last play tonight with Magette getting the pick from Yao instead of TMac, do you see him settling for a contested jumper when a center was guarding him? Or, would he have driven by and gone up strong taking on the contact? DD
Maggette is indeed a "unique offensive talent", but he destroys offensive chemistry in the process, along the lines of Zach Randolph. Having him and McGrady play at the same time would be a disaster. You need to watch Maggette closely sometimes and see what he does to other players. Some guys in the NBA "get theirs" on a consistent basis but do it to the detriment of their team. Maggette is one. He is great at getting stats on bad teams. It got him $50 million. Good for him. I wanted him as a Rocket a couple of years ago under his old contract but I figured him out. Just say "no" to Maggette.
You think if Pop and the Spurs landed him that would be the case? I don't think so. I think he would give them a significant boost. Coaching, atmosphere, and professionalism can work wonders.
Pop is the one coach who wouldn't have put up with any of Maggette's stubbornness and would have forced him to play the Spurs way or sit on the bench. One thing I know for sure is Adelman wouldn't have changed him at all. Maggette would have ended up being another ball-stopped on the Rockets, who need that like a hole in the head.
So basically any wing player who holds the ball more than 3 seconds is a ball stopper in the Adelman offense. Since he needs guys running around zig zag side to side giving it the ol' college try rather than trying to break down a defense with individual skills. Though Its not like Yao fits ANYTHING to do with motion... Anyways I see Maggette on the Rockets doing some of the same ball stoppage and same time missed to injury as Artest, just more athletic, less defense and less crazier. Actually he'd be a fabulous 6th man but he makes too much money for that.
yep. right now, we have six guys (tmac,artest,yao,scola,wafer,brooks) who can go off any given night for 20points a game. right now, we're even having problems finding minutes for von. so no go on any regrette trade for me. we just need to fix the rotation and redistribute minutes. first unit: alston, brooks/wafer, artest, scola, yao. second unit: barry/brooks, wafer,mcgrady,landry/battier, scola/hayes on first unit, alston can control the ball like he wants. artest can jack up those threes as you have scola and yao rebounding. brooks and wafer can shoot on a dishout or cut,shoot or drop off to the big guys. on second unit, tmac can be the playmaker that he wants. and everyone on the floor has scoring potential who'd benefit from tmac's passing.
Maggette's contract doesn't look so good , I can say the same about the present (Rockets). We have to win the championship this year to make the experiment work . There is a chance that it might happen , but I'm not going to bet on it right now . We can trade Artest+Head for Maggette+A.Randolph . A.Randolph has the potential to become a rare big in this league . A. Randolph C.Landry V.Wafer A.Brooks Is a solid foundation for years (if we could resign Von long term). It's not a bad idea , trading for M.Eliis is another .
Magette's contract doesn't look good? He is getting paid a little more than $8 million this year, and is scoring 20ppg. How is that not value for production? Magette's contract is about where it should be .....he produces.....consistently.... His percentages are high, he attacks the rim.....the guy is underpaid if you compare him to our roster. DD
The Rockets contract situation doesn't look that bad. Adding 5yrs/$50MM for Maggette would kill any future flexibility the Rockets would have. How many times has it been said that Adelman's offense takes a while to learn? How likely is it that Regrette picks it up? Zero. I'd rather dump Ron at the end of this season than be stuck with Maggette 4 more years. He definitely wouldn't be the difference between winning a championship this year and not because he just isn't that good. He and Tracy on the court at the same time is a recipe for disaster. He would also be a disaster for Yao.
I think Maggette for Artest, at this point in time, would be a net positive. Defense has been as big a problem this year as offense, and regardless of how good Artest might be defensively one on one, our defense overall has suffered...significantly. You can't point to Artest specifically for this. Less Chucky has also contributed. More Landry/Brooks has contributed. Less defensive effort by Tracy has contributed. But regardless, defense isn't really being helped by Artest, imo. His 1.8 steals per game is nice, but I think he goes for the steal too often, often creating a difficult 5 on 4 situation to defend as Artest is now behind the play. Offensively, you lose a 3 point threat, but I think you more than make up for it with better three point shooting and attacking the basket. Chemistry is a question mark, but DaDa is right, Ron isn't fitting yet. Overall chemistry is probably worst now then its been at any point in the last 5 years. So that's a neutral move at worst. The contract is the only real issue. Maggette isn't overpaid, but he has 5 years left, and if he moved on to team #3 and didn't fit there, either, then you're talking about a player that is hard to move. real hard.
I actually think he would be good for Yao. There'd be issues, sure, as he can be a ball-stopper and hogger, but he seems to play better in a slow down system, and gets to the line a lot, both of which suit Yao's need to stay fresh throughout the game. But you're right, he's not the passer Artest can be.
The problem with Maggette is the same problem with Artest; they don't fit on the court with McGrady. I'd love to have a guy with Maggette's talent, but the real problem this team has is that the starting lineup doesn't have any shooters. If you could swap McGrady for Maggette, I'd do it, but you can't, and you can't play them both at the same time because of defensive issues.
