is that a product of where VY actually ranks...or does that have more to do with the needs of the teams picking? NOLA ain't taking a QB...neither is SF. that has him falling, by necessity, to at best #3. but that doesn't speak to his ranking among other players.
For all you people who say you won't trade down unless we are offered a king's ransom...would you trade down if we are offered something much LESS than a king's ransom, but Bush is being entirely unreasonable in his contract demands? What if, say, Bush and his camp are not budging on the 30 mil thing (this is assuming it is a true report, everyone else seems to be) and we haven't gotten any big time trade offers. Personally, I would rather trade down for a package as small as the Jets two first round picks and a 4th rounder if that is the alternative to drafting Mario Williams with the #1 spot in order to avoid the headache if Bush tries to hold out. To me, this years draft being what it is, there are a LOT smaller packages I would be happy accepting for a trade down since there are so many elite players. We could trade down to the Jets for their two first round picks and something else (small) and still get an elite player plus a starter with their later 1st. I don't know, just seems like a good deal to me.
This is all good for the Texans- If Jets have interest, if SF has interest, it only drives up the trade value. The next move the Texans should make is talk to Tennessee and Green Bay about possible trades to leverage the Jets and SF. The more interest in Reggie Bush the better. I never thought any team would trade up to #1 for a running back. Especially one who is a situational player. If the Jets or SF are not smart enough to stay put- all the better for the Texans. Get the best deal and trade the pick, we have too many needs and this is a deep draft.
From Profootballtalk.com Texans | R. Bush still expects to be No. 1 NFL Draft pick Thu, 20 Apr 2006 19:02:08 -0700 Todd Harmonson, of the Orange County Register, reports USC RB Reggie Bush said he still expects to be the top overall selection in next week's NFL Draft. However, he confirmed widespread reports that the Houston Texans have not opened contract negotiations with him. "There are some people saying it's because I'm demanding $30 million (for a signing bonus), but that's not true," Bush said in a telephone interview. "We haven't talked numbers with them at all. Right now it's kind of on them to start negotiations if they want to." Bush said he only has met with officials from Houston and the New York Jets.
I get your point - and it makes sense. Team Bush is just following the age long philosophy of negotiation of starting high. That should not necessarily turn the Texans off. But the key is to see if a deal can be worked out by Monday otherwise if Mario Williams agrees to a much lesser fee, I think the Texans will blink. One thing that struck me from the interview Reggie Bush gave to Rich Lord [sp?] and "The Voice" when he paid a visit to Houston was his parting words. Bush said that being number pick is important to him but "not at a discount". I do not know what that means but we will surely know before Wednesday if being number 1 is that important to him. Obviously [and rightfully], the money part is usually more important - this he has to realize that getting top notch money is only in the number pick slot. The number one pick sets the bar.
Rumor or damage control...It is a negotiation, but still, the number doesn't just come out of nowhere...If they did request, I would imagine they'd take less, but not much less, hence the dilema...
Well according to Bush, on Rome yesterday he said the Texans told him they were drafting him, I highly doubt he would just make that up and I doubt the Texans would say that and not actually do it. UNLESS the contract issue stops them. I think this pretty much puts to rest the 3-month long debate about who the Texans want to draft.
30M for a rookie RB is unheard of, let alone being anywhere near reasonable. Like one article posted, this would essentially make Bush one of the highest paid RBs in the league. Adding his contract w/ DD's extension locks up A TON of money in our backfield, which seems unecessary since RB has been one of our more solid positions in this franchise, and the fact that Kubiak has had success w/ lesser backs. I know you're a Bush fan, I'll admit I've been kind of excited about drafting Bush as of late, but saying 30mil for someone who hasn't even stepped on a NFL field isn't unreasonable is kind of ridiculous.
Bush goes #1 no matter what. Then we have the next few hours to trade him if we find the right offer.
Texans need to make up their mind, they've been on the clock for weeks now, make up your mind, and stop pulling all these smoke screens, it makes no sense with the #1 pick. UNLESS you're willing to trade it, in that case they don't feel that Reggie Bush is this can't miss player, or they feel that #1 pick money for a RB/WR/KR is too much. There's something going on here for sure...
A week before the draft and we have had zero negotiations with Bush... Yeah, drafting Bush looks like a top priority for the Texans.
I really believe the Texans want to trade the pick. It is just a matter of getting a big offer. They aren't going to trade for less than 3-4 very quality picks or players. They are looking for a sweet heart deal. They might get it and they WILL pull the trigger.
The only time they have to have their mind made up is 11:15 on 4/29. Even then, they may not have it made up. It's a huge decision, one that could affect this team for year's. I don't want them to rush to a decision just to reach one.
Techinically, you're right, but negotiations usually happen before the draft with teams that have the #1 pick, UNLESS they want to trade it. In the Vick draft the Chargers decided to trade it after Vick's people told them what it would take to get him signed, maybe the Texans are doing the same thing? In this case they know Bush doesn't want to sign at a discount rate, that means he wants AT LEAST the 25 million Smith got last season, maybe that's too much for them.
I think it makes perfect sense. If we as fans can't tell from reports or rumors who it is exactly the Texans are targeting, then odds are other teams can't either...which means that if NO really wanted Bush, or Williams, or D'Brick, etc. then they might not be willing to just assume the Texans would not take that player. While it does seem obvious that we want Bush, I think the conflicting reports about negotiations and whatnot will end up working in the Texans favor. When we got David Carr, a contract was worked out before the draft even started. There was no mystery whatsoever what would happen, and as a result, I would imagine the Texans didn't get jack squat in the way of trade proposals.
But Vince isn't even the highest rated QB this year by most accounts. Leinart is. Shoot, for a while Cutler was pushing Young for the #2 QB spot.
Ok, but that would mean that the Texans don't mind risking Reggie Bush, with Carr they knew they wanted him over Harrington and Peppers so they took him without risking him.
funny thing is the last time they had the number one pick they had carr signed it seemed a month before the draft. the new blood in the organization is already making its presence felt.
Of course, the Texans have flat out said that they haven't told anyone that they are being drafted, so at least one side is lying. Beyond that, the Texans would be complete idiots to tell Reggie they were drafting him before solidifying contract talks, because it gives him that much more leverage.
