Reggie Bush vs. Mario doesn't look so clear cut anymore

He was productive but I wouldn't say "very good". 1000 yard seasons are not what they once were.

there is so much wrong in that post ...



I will say that he has certainly been playing better as of late and the Fins offense is well suited for what he does

 

I wanted D'Brickashaw Ferguson.

 

He started the year as the backup and then split carries with Daniel Thomas for a while.

He averaged 5 yards per carry. It was indeed a very good season.

 

I don't think it did much good for him at all.

 

I think the only thing that's clear is that neither player has lived up to draft expectations.

In Bush's defense, he would have had to rush for 12,000 yards his first 6 seasons to live up to all the hype surrounding him around draft day.

 

Total yardage, probably. He was supposed to be a great punt returner, great receiver out of the backfield, versatile enough to split out wide, and able to break long runs.

 

Not sure about the revisionist history regarding Bush in NO. They badly wanted him to be a feature back, but could never get him to go between the tackles. His E-W hee haw dance had him leading the league in plays for negative yardage. Brees even called him out publicly over it.

First year, Deuce was in front of him, but he was virtually gone starting year 2. Saints killed themselves trying to make Reggie their feature back, but Stecker and later Thomas proved to be the only guys willing to hit the line with a full head of steam.

That's why the Saints gave up and just started using him as a scatback, and it was the right move. Bush has started to adjust his play - I still wouldn't call him a downhill runner, but he's learned to stop dancing and just hit the hole.

And agreed with Cannonball: I was so envious of the Jets snagging Brick and Mangold. I really wanted to trade down and revamp our line like that.

 

New Orleans never committed to making Bush a feature back. Your career high for carries isn't 157 when a team has tried to make you a feature back.

You're right that he wasn't a scat back to begin with like he ended the team with, but a feature back they never tried to make him.

 

They wouldn't have drafted him 2nd if that wasn't their intention. He failed to win the job because he wasn't producing. You cant point to that stat and close the book.

 

Yes they would have, because they did. They expected Reggie to be a versatile weapon to use in a variety of ways. Deuce was still the lead back and was 27 years old.

 

I don't see where there is a "luxury" there. Running back is a position where 1st/2nd year players can have success. They're not looking for the payoff in the 4th season. Its like saying Ricky Williams had the luxury of being out of the NFL to stay away from the on-field grind on his body, see a fuller perspective of his life and mature. It'll go down as a luxury to be nice, but that wasnt the intent.

I don't think the Saints relied on UNDRAFTED guys like Mike Bell, Chris Ivory and Pierre Thomas getting MORE carries than Bush to enable Bush to find himself.

That definitely was the case, a "Thunder & Lightning" approach. So he's not the feature back, thats very fair, lots of teams use a committe approach.

So be good in the role you're given. Bush though was a pedestrian vanilla weapon with a lot of versatile touches. Volume variety didnt mean dynamic.

 

JJ Watt has more pass deflections than Mario Williams has tackles so far this year.

 

Yep. He had moments, but he was never as good a runner or receiver as expected. He had one or two good punt returning years. Fumbles, drops, and injuries completely derailed him, and he became an expensive decoy.

It's all speculation what would have happened with another team, but what he is doing in Miami has been impressive.

 

Reggie Bush said he was going to do big things this year. I believe him. He F***ed Kim Kardashian you know!

 

Bush scored 40 touchdowns as a member of the saints and you guys act like he had 6 wasted years there because he wasnt the feature back? Im so confused. Please enlighten me sam fisher.

 

$50 million

 

It's kind of a combination of the two. Bush got to New Orleans the year the Saints became an air-it-out team with Brees. Nobody saw that coming. So, while Bush did suck butt as a feature back, he was naturally pushed out of that role by the offense the Saints began to run, in addition to the fact he just wasn't cutting it. He was averaging about 12-13 carries per game his first 3 years there, then in year 4, they completely gave up on him as a significant contributor to the running game. It's going to be interesting to see what Miami can get out of him in this different role.

And to the dude who repped me, here's my explanation.

 

Ok, I'll enlighten you... by "40 touchdowns" you actually mean "33 touchdowns"

Honestly if you'd stop lying about his stats which are easily look-upable you'd help and not hinder your pleas here.

But honestly, he was drafted to be the man on offense, and he ended rushing for 2000 yards in 5 seasons and really didn't have sucess other than as a punt returner and a 3rd down back. How is that not disappointing for the second overall pick?