$65 million for a guy who would be nothing better than a slot receiever... yea, that's really projecting greatness right there. If all it took was speed and elusiveness to be a great WR, Dante Hall would be a future HOFer... as it is, whenever he lines up at that position, he's very manageable (whereas if he's returning the ball, he's deadly).
Who says I was projecting greatness? I just said you can move him over there and he can do something. VY wont be able to move to WR.
Even Vince has scored more rushing TD's than Bush. Funny.... http://www.thebrushback.com/sayers_full.htm
But while Bush has shown no ability to run (2.6ypc), VY has been able to run with the football (5.1ypc). So while Bush goes to WR, VY could take Bush's place as a real running back No seriously, I think VY will be just fine as a QB. Top of the draft QBs always suck if they have to play as rookies because they are still learning and more importantly their teams suck. If you get drafted later (Marino, Big Ben, maybe Cutler) you have a chance to be successfull. Besides, VY makes the Titans better than their previous QBs, VY has only been bad in two blowout losses. Giving their positions and the expectations for rookie playing time given their positions (few thought VY would play early in the season), RBush has been far more dissappointing.
Even if he's not "great", Vince will still be better/more productive as a QB than Reggie will ever be as a WR. Reggie catches balls out of the backfield because other defenders are already committed to their more dangerous WR's... once Reggie gives that up (and just lines up like any other normal WR), he's even less valuable.
I see your analysis of VY is kind of roundabout- the Titans have been blown out less in his starts than in Collins', so he must be better. Well, there are plenty of factors in blowouts. It's not like the Titans relied on VY's QB skills during his starts. I still see a guy who can't read defenses and has a subpar arm. Yes, QBs suck as rookies but at this point VY looks worse than Carr did, and VY isn't surrounded by a bunch of college level talent and a horrible coaching staff.
You guys are ignoring a lot of things here. Right now Bush has more receptions than Terry Holt, Chad Johnson, and Terrell Owens. His inability to rush the ball thus far could be blamed on the sore ankle he's been nursing all year and his adjustment to N.O.'s offense. He's used to looking to break for 20+ yard runs, whereas they're simply asking him to pound it down the middle and short runs. His presence on the field gains the attention of defenses which have allowed other opportunities for his team mates. Guys like Colston and Henderson and of course Horn, have several touchdowns now. To top it, Drew Brees is still in the running for MVP awards. He may not have earned that fat pay check of his, but they still have him doing a lot of duties on the field and utilizing him as best as possible, and the Saints record reflects that.
You guys are forgetting about the marketing aspect. I mean, Bush's popularity alone should win the Saints at least a couple more games, right? Right? Bush should thank his lucky stars that the Saints are having as good a season as they are, because if Drew Brees wasn't having an outstanding year, and guys like Colston weren't breaking out, then microscope on his production would be a WHOLE lot closer.
That makes no sense...if he's capable of breaking big plays, why use him to only gain 2-3 yards a carry? He's not breaking big plays because he currently doesnt have the ability to run in the NFL.
You guys all sound like the NBA geniuses who proclaimed Yao Ming to be a bust after his lackluster debut. Can't rebound, can't play inside... too soft. Only they didn't know what the hell they were talking about either.
Which is what I was saying all along. There are no more Gale Sayers type of players...he was fast....in a period where most of the players were slow. Now, all of the players are fast..... DD
1) You sound like someone who ran out of legitamate arguments and are having to pull crap out of your ass. 2) I know I, and plenty of other people in this thread weren't calling Yao a bust. I was at his first game and knew he was on a 3-5 yr development curve and his tree trunk legs, shooting touch, and unselfish play were going to ensure he wouldn't be a bust. This really strikes me as (a) you haven't watched the Saints play very much, and (b) are borrowing arguments from other people. Reggie's been utilized extensively as a dump route reciever, which has helped them, but his YAC haven't been impressive in the least. On his runs and on his receptions, he's been shockingly easy to tackle. Drew Brees' MVP and Colston's oROY candidacies are far bigger reasons for the Saints record than Reggie Bush. Unfortunately, most of the nation refuses to admit that. Evan
Dumpoff passes for 6 yards don't really count. Especially when we're talking about the next Gayle Sayers. Every player in the NFL has sore arms, legs, ankles, shoulder, etc. It's part of the game. And his sore ankle didn't seem to bother him on that punt return. Like every other NFL team asks their RB's to do. That's the whole point. His skills don't transfer over to the NFL. The "decoy" argument has already been disproved in this forum many times. I'm sorry, I don't buy it. Bush is the only player taken in the top 10 that isn't currently starting for his team. That's nice, but do these "duties" justify him being taken at #1 (instead of Mario) and earning all that money? Do these "duties" he performs justify all the ridicule the Texans took for passing on him?
Carr had a very respectable rookie year, and I think it not how Carr started but his last 2 years have soured folks, though I for one think he is getting too much of the blame. Also, Carr came from a pro style offense to an NFL team that had a heavy dose of decent veterans, better than what the Titans have now. Now VY has been more effective than Eli Manning was his 1st year and 5x more effective than Alex Smith, and Eli had a lot more to work with and VY has been asked to play earlier in the season than both of those 1st overall picks. Basically if VY looks anything less than putrid the Titans are going to be happy with the progress--such is the expectation for any rookie QB getting his licks on a scrub team. The fact the Titans have been much better with VY than with the veteran NFLer Collins--it isn't even close--is very much a positive sign. I have no idea where the arm strength concern you mention came up. VY has a better arm than at least half the starting QBs. He had among the strongest arm of QB prospects in an excellent QB prospect draft. I don't remember anyone questioning his arm strength post workouts, only concerns about mechanics. His major questions are learning to read defenses and finding a pro style offense he is effective in. I don't think the Titans are dissappointed at all with where he is at as a rookie QB starting before midway of his rookie season. VY has struggled in 2 games to carry and run an offense, RBush has struggled multiple games to contribute to an offense (be efficient when used in a limited way).
