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Reggie Bush is a BUST

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by ima_drummer2k, Nov 6, 2006.

  1. kevwun

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    If you really watched Reggie Bush in college you could see hints that this could happen. He wasn't a good between the tackles runner in college. Most of his highlight runs were outside runs. Twice when his team had crucial 4th and short plays in the MNC game, he wasn't even on the field. He's basically Eric Metcalfe. He an electric open field runner, but he's not a good running back.
     
  2. gucci888

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    But can't you see that he is the decoy for the Saints and the sole reason they are 6-2. Also...he has been playing injured since week 1 and Sean Payton hasn't been utilizing his skills the right way. I also forgot that you can't compare Bush to Lundy because he isn't starting, nevermind that Lundy has played in 3 less games. :cool:

    Funny how posts that were saying we would be eating crow and that Bush would only get better turned into excuses like the ones above.

    Does jgreen remind ya'll of a certain poster who recently left? A bonafied UT hater, mainly due to "tshirt fans." Gets proven wrong in 99% of their posts and disappears for a while, only to come back and do it all over again. To me, this is just bigtexxx all over again.
     
  3. Xerobull

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    He's not being utilized in a way that would make his stats crazy. Which they could be, if he were on an offense-starved team. Like gucci said, he's being used as a decoy. He is so dangerous both running and catching that he's opening up the defense for other players to score.

    He's no bust. He will get his share of pro-bowls and might even be a hall of fame player.

    Side Note: He IS a fantasy bust. I drafted him 21. :p
     
  4. A-Train

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    I think I read somewhere that Barry Sanders has the NFL record for most rushes for negative yards. That's the problem with Bush. He's trying to be Barry Sanders when he doesn't have half the talent.
     
  5. kevwun

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    He's not that dangerous. Dangerous runners don't avg 2.5 yards a carry. It's not the line because Deuce is doing just fine. Bush is dangerous when he has the ball in open space. That doesn't happen to running backs on a consistent basis.
     
  6. Major

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    He's so dangerous that he has yet to break anything running or receiving.
     
  7. Hey Now!

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    for the record, mcallister, who IS a very good back, only had 32 yards yesterday on 15 carries, so the bucs apparently stuffed the run all day, and the saints passed a lot more than normal. i think brees was, like, 11/11 in the first quarter, or some insane ****. not that that excuses bush, but, still - context.

    what's interesting is that really none of the first round picks this year have been exceptionally great. maroney's been good, but he's on a very good team. and then you go back and look at last year's first round... and, again, some good players, but nowhere do you see a lot of consistency in terms of greatness.

    i think we may be seeing a real shift in the NFL right now - it's so big, so fast, so talent-laden, that's its simply getting harder and harder for guys to break into the league and have an immediate impact. it may now take 1 year or 2 for rookies - even very good ones - to establish themselves. it's a "veteran" league.
     
  8. macalu

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    WTH are you guys talking about? Reggie Bush is the best decoy in the game!
     
  9. ima_drummer2k

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    I did notice that, but at least Deuce had positive yardage.

    I've noticed that as well. That's why I don't think we should use our high draft pick next year. I think we should trade down and get more picks.

    And if it turns out that we decide to replace 'you-know-who' and go in a different direction, I think we should look at the FA market instead of the draft. But that's another thread on a subject that I promised myself I wouldn't talk about on this bbs anymore.
     
  10. sammy

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    Michael Smith was one of the few who supported the pick. I think Mike Golich or whatever and the other Ex-Bronco on NFL live said they liked the pick also. But everyone else trashed the pick. Oh yea....Bill Simmons wrote an article on how this compares to the Bowie-Jordan draft day massacre. What an idiot. I think he hated on Yao too, right?
    Anyways....its clear right now that we made the right pick. We have a young defense that should get better week by week. I hate to say this but if we can somehow manage to get AD on draft day and make good picks like we did last yr....we should be looking nice next yr.
     
  11. Hey Now!

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    well, sure - deuce is a better running back. but he averaged 2.1 ypc; he was equally awful.

    so you want multiple guys who might not make an impact for several years? i mean, if you think it takes the cream of the crop longer to be dominant, why would you want 2-3 players not as good?

    they're not, so, moot point.
     
  12. jopatmc

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    Wouldn't it be interesting to see what Dominick Davis would do in this running game?
     
  13. Nick

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    I'm fine with the media criticizing the pick... I didn't expect them to "praise" the Texans for taking a guy like Mario. But, the level of ANGER, and RIDICULE, and LAUGHING that was thrown at the organization/city was uncalled for. Especially since none of the guys had yet to play a down in the league.

    Even Bowie-Jordan wasn't that big of a deal on draft day... it was only 10 years later where it became "laughable". The media trying to create that same sense of blunder was irresponsible, in my opinion.

    Yao deserved some criticism... he was the first of his kind in many ways (first player from china, first guy 7'6 who was actually expected to do something). As soon as he started turning it around, the media shifted their view to the one of a "guy not living up to the huge expectations." (as they calmly forget that the media first claimed he would be a bust).

    As for the draft next year... they still need more help with O-line, safety, defensive tackles, and outside linebackers before they consider getting a specialist. The holes that Lundy is being given are very inconsistent... indicating the line isn't dominating from the point of attack (contrast this with how the Giants blocked for Tiki yesterday).
     
  14. Nick

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    He's a better pass catcher... but as far as running in between the tackles, the o-line is still struggling to pick up the zone blocking scheme. I don't see consistency in the holes being opened for Lundy (but its still better than Dayne/Gado who were too slow to go thru the holes that were there).
     
  15. Hey Now!

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    never the biggest DD fan - actually, i thought he was very productive - but this would be a MUCH better team with him, no doubt.
     
  16. KingCheetah

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    Watching him try to break everything outside on every play is getting silly -- the coaching staff has to be annoyed with that.

    VY #1 ... ;)

    Mario looked pretty damn good yesterday I must say. :cool:
     
  17. halfbreed

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    I remember saying this before the draft and having about 70% of posters laughing at the thought that RB would be mediocre.

    As I said then, LenDale White will have a better pro career than Reggie.
     
  18. emjohn

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    There's a different way of looking at this:
    not tying up a significant portion of the cap on one player when you need numerous starters. In the top of the first round you're looking for franchise players, at the bottom of the first it's key starters, at the top of the second it's solid starters, at the bottom of the second and into the third it's hopeful starters and solid backups. After that, it's rolling the dice on guys that might surprise.
    A single player can't save a defense. Our money is best used trying to fill multiple holes since we aren't missing one piece. Especially considering we uncovered Ryans in the 2nd, I wouldn't say that we'd neccesarily be getting players that weren't as good.
     
  19. Icehouse

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    On other web-sites I'm reading Bush is still getting most of the credit for the Saints 6-2 record. One poster was quick to remind me that all 3 TD's yesterday started off as play-action to Bush (even though it was only true for 1).

    Here is one for example:

    And there is something special about the Bush is doing it -- he's drawing attention even while not producing statwise. His reputation is doing damage in the absence of actual rushing stats. That's pretty special in my book.

    It's not just play action, either. He's clearing out LBs when he goes in motion. He's drawing two defenders when he runs out into the flat. Other teams still put spies on him at times (Cleveland and GB did almost every down). When I said teams have been selling out to stop him, I mean really SELLING OUT. Like Marshall-Faulk-in-his-prime-level respect. I can't explain why it's happening, but it is.

    Admittedly, the fairy tale could end as soon as the first team changes tactics on the Saints. Right now, if I were an opposing DC ... I'd dare the Saints to beat us with the run. Maybe then Payton ups the dosage of Deuce he feeds the defense? Dunno.
     
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  20. ima_drummer2k

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    Just saying I don't think we should put all our eggs (ie. money) in one player (ie. AP, Brady Quinn).

    You're preaching to the choir.
     

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