Eli was bad his 1st year. He locked into receivers and bungled plays. This was despite having Barber/Shockey/Toomer and a major defense to support him (add Burress in the mix the last 2 years too). VY does that too (lock into Wrs and misread Ds), but at least he can mix things up with the run, and that makes him more dangerous/effective than Eli was his 1st year. In fact they had comparable passer ratings despite Eli only having to play later in the season, and with a better cast of skill players and a defense. And of course QB rating does not include rushing yards, which is another way VY is effective for his team. Finally, let's look at Alex Smith, who also like VY came from a non Pro Style offense. Horrible year 1, pretty good year 2 (better than Eli's year 2, much more impressive than Eli's considering SF's sucky cast). Alex Smith is also the perfect example that early PT and suckitude may not hurt player development, particularly for a resilient character like VY. Also see other great QB/athletes like McNabb/Elway/SYoung who had brutal 1st NFL years on brutal teams but by year 2 or 3 were tearing things up. Early PT and struggling initial years didn't hurt the Mannings either. VY is doing just fine, certainly not under expectations at the midway point in his rookie year. And I am of the opinion if your rookie QB gives you the best chance to win, as VY clearly does for Tenn, you play them. That real game PT does more for player development than anything, lots of examples with top end drafted QBs that suggests this. Now if playing VY would create resentment (players not blocking for him, think the other guy is better), that could be one thing, but that doesn't seem like the case at all. Wait a 2nd. This thread is about Reggie Bust. I mean Reggie Bush. (Hey, someone get/modify me that jersey). Anyway let's get back on track. Well I am in 50% agreement But I hope Mario W and the Texans do well. I thought that move showed cajones. I just wish VY went to anyone other than to Butt Adams.
Ok how about red zone attempts, 9 rushes, 0 catches. Yet, he's always on the field. It's almost as if, , he's a decoy. How about 150 touches and one fumble? Reggie touches the ball 18 times a game, the Saints are 6-2 and he isn't producing? Either that is a steaming pile or Drew Brees is your MVP, not Peyton.
sorry..being a decoy alone doesn't get it done. that doesn't justify contracts. defenses key on the best players. the best players still rack up yards and TD's. i'm not saying reggie won't get better. i believe he will. but you have a hard time spinning anything other than that it's been a disappointing start for reggie bush.
What is he doing with those 18 touches? No, he doesn't really look like he is producing to me, especially not for what the Saints are paying him. The Colts are undefeated. That doesn't mean Addai is their key piece though. Bush has contributed to the TEAM success but he has really underachieved and rushing for negative yardage is NEVER A GOOD THING.
yea, defenses gameplan for larry johnson and tomlinson but those 2 still get their 100+ yds and TDs for their respected teams
It means the Saints think so little of him that they don't give him the ball. Decoys are only decoys if they prove they can do something with the ball. He has yet to do that at the NFL level. Sorry, but NFL guys aren't scared of USC highlights, as much as you might like to believe otherwise.
Addai is the decoy that makes Peyton great. Addai is the reason they're undefeated. Other teams spend so much time game planning for Addai that it opens everything up for Payton and Marvin.
Pfft. I never said Reggie was setting the league on fire. I only said that Reggie is doing what the team is asking of him. He is helping the team win and it's too early to call him a bust. Yes, he is making mistakes when it comes to rushing the football. That doesn't mean he can't rush the football in the NFL. Deuce is better suited for red zone running, sort of like Brandon Jacobs and Reggie hasn't found the patience to wait for blocks to develop. The Saints are utilizing the talent they have in an intelligent way. As far as justifing his contract... Give me a break. Talk to me when the Saints are struggling and Reggie isn't producing or if Deuce goes down and Reggie can't cut it as the no. 1 guy.
Reggie has very little to do with the success of the Saints thus far. Drew Brees and Marques Colston are the reasons why they are playing much better. If Deuce went down, the Saints would drop in production because Reggie couldn't cut it as the #1 guy right now. If he's not running between the tackles now, he's not gonna do it the more chances he gets as the #1 guy. Its way too early to call any player out of this past draft a bust. If you want to bad mouth a Texan as a bust talk about Jason Babin, that guy is a bust. Reggie is far from a bust, be he's even further from being Gales Sayers, right about now he's Eric Metcalf.
So many excuses. I don't see how you can convince me that a 2nd overall pick with a $60 million contract who cannot even perform nearly as well as a *sixth round pick* on one of the worst rushing teams in the NFL is anything but a bust. I hope he eventually turns the corner and becomes a serviceable running back. But right now, dangit man. Reggie Bush flat out sucks.
Everyone here is sure he can't run between the tackles? Have you seen him flying into the backs of his offensive linemen or trying to bust inside runs to the outside before blocks develop? That's what he's doing with his 10 rushes per game. When he stops doing that, continues to struggle, we can agree he's a bust. I disagree that he has little to do with the Saints success. Ex. Reggie goes in motion, a safety has to pick him up and Devery Henderson is wide open for a touchdown. You have to game plan for him because you can't cover him with a linebacker when he's moving and you know he's going to get the ball around the LOS a bunch of times. Perhaps having safeties move up has helped Drew Brees with deep passes? Nah How many Saints games have the people in this dogpile thread actually watched? He hasn't proven anything other than he is fast, he can catch the ball, and he isn't turnover prone. That said, I don't see how you can call someone a bust who does what he's asked to do, helps a team win, and is 8 games into his career. He has definately underachieved, but at least let the guy fail before you call him a bust.
Every one of them exept for one. My co-worker and I make bets on just about every game and have watched all but one Saints game this season. Reggie Bush has talent and has speed, but his name doesn't carry as much weight in the NFL like it did in the NCAA, he doesn't strike fear in the hearts of defenders, hell they probably want a chance to get their hands on them.
Notice BBSers, Since I made my post on pg. 6 how much have we heard from jgreen91? Zero. Why because he knows I'm right! Look I dont think Bush will be rendered completely useless but it's more of a possibility that he will be in the Marshall Faulk mold rather than Sanders, Sayers, etc. Those comparisons are just insulting and ridiculous. But you can bet on this ... the first 100 yd game rushing and/or multiple TD game Bush has, he will start talking smack again. This just in jgreen91, until he does it at least 3 or 4 games, dont waste your breath. Notice Mario in the last 4 games 4 1/2 sacks. That is called a trend meaning he's getting it. As of right now, Bush stats render a monkey trying to do a math problem. For the record, the monkey line is a figure of speech not a racial slur. I have respect for Reggie the man, but right now he is showing zilch for game.
Yes, jgreen is a coward. His name should be jyellow or jpink. When Bush does well again (and I'm sure he will turn it around because he can't possibly suck like this forever) you will see him around.
One of the issues I was hammering away at pre-draft was the mammoth holes and open space he got at USC. He didn't have to create plays out of bad to average blocks in tight space the way other smaller stature backs like Faulk, Sanders, Dorsett, Smith, Martin, Allen, Barber, Thomas Jones, Dunn, etc got so much of their milage. In other words it wasn't his size that concerned me, it was his instincts in tight space and making the most of out of routine plays. Ya'll are seeing it now, I was telling you then. Now maybe he will get those instincts and be a true workhorse RB--and Faulk, Barber, and others guys have done it in similar frames. Barber was even a late bloomer for a RB, but he did also have more of a college workhorse role and was thicker in the lower body thus finishes lower/stronger. Or maybe Bush won't, and will always be more of this all around speedy lite-duty utility back/returner--but not workhorse RB-- like Westbrook, Metcalf, Meggett, Brian Mitchell, etc. I think he will be better than the latter, but closer to them than a Marshall Faulk.
A Saints/Bush fan told me today....If Deuce wasn't there and was the Saints Primary back you'd see a difference. um... yea right....
That was awesome! Quailty post right there. Somebody tell Radio, err Reggie to run the other way. yeah, i know that jokes been used, but man reggie, run the other way.
