not necessarily. Naomi Wolf quoted: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...lead_to_end_of_human_liberty_in_the_west.html NAOMI WOLF: I can not say this forcefully enough: This is literally the end of human liberty in the West if this plan unfolds as planned. "Vaccine passport" sounds like a fine thing if you don't understand what these platforms can do. I'm the CEO of a tech company, I understand what this platform does. It is not about the vaccine or the virus, it is about your data. What people need to understand is that any other functionality can be loaded onto that platform with no problem at all. What that means is that can be merged with your Paypal account, digital currency, Microsoft is talking about merging it with payment plans, your networks can be sucked up, it geolocates you wherever you go. All of your medical history can be included -- this has already happened in Israel. And six months later, we're hearing from activists that it is a two-tiered society and basically activists are ostracized and surveiled continually. It is the end of civil society and they are trying to roll it out around the world. It is absolutely so much more than a vaccine pass, it is -- I can not stress enough that it has the power to turn off your life, or to turn on your life, to let you engage in society or be marginalized. And by the way, the last thing I'll say is IBM has a horrible history with Nazi Germany... with punchcards that allowed the Nazis to keep lists... in such a way that they could round up Jews, round up dissidents and opposition leaders. It is catastrophic, it can not be allowed to continue... How does [China] keep a billion people under the thumb of a totalitarian regime. The CCP can find any dissident in five minutes, and that can happen here literally within months. there are legitimate concerns, and the comparison to authoritarian regimes isn't necessarily "disgusting" . . . the comparison may be inapt, but there's nothing inherently wrong in making the comparison. One would have to argue why the comparison is inapt and offer reasons for that evaluation, rather than simply dismissing the comparison out of hand.
So now smartphones are part of a Nazi plot. Dear ****ing lord. And I've been lectured in Godwin's law for my takes
Yes I've read everything that article had to say and everything claimed in that article is already capable of being done with the device that I'm 90% sure is at least within arm's reach of you currently and 81% of Americans already have.
https://www.thenewcivilrightsmoveme...orts-have-these-people-never-attended-school/ excerpt: The travel and tourism industry, and businesses like restaurants, concert facilities, and others where large numbers of people gather are anxious to re-open fully and safely, but proof of vaccination apparently is just too much for libertarians and many conservatives, including Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Jim Jordan, to handle.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/25/covid-vaccine-passports-health-experts-are-deeply-concerned.html excerpt: LONDON — Public health officials and civil liberty organizations are urging policymakers to resist calls for coronavirus vaccine passports, at a time when many countries are in the process of reviewing whether to introduce digital passes. The U.S., U.K. and European Union are among those considering whether to introduce a digital passport that will allow citizens to show they have been vaccinated against Covid-19. The certificate system could be used for traveling abroad, as well as to grant access to venues such as restaurants and bars. It is thought a digital passport could help stimulate an economic recovery as countries prepare to relax public health measures over the coming weeks. The ailing airline industry, hit particularly hard by the spread of the virus last year, is among those calling for governments to usher in legislation that supports Covid vaccine passports. Physicians and rights groups, however, are deeply concerned. Dr. Deepti Gurdasani, clinical epidemiologist at Queen Mary University of London, told CNBC via telephone that vaccine passports could inadvertently be used to provide “false assurances” to holidaymakers. “I can see that they might be useful in the longer term, but I have several concerns about them being considered at this point in time when I think the scientific evidence doesn’t support them. And there are lots of ethical concerns about them that I think are legitimate,” Gurdasani said on Thursday. Among those scientific concerns, Gurdasani said it is clear the protection coronavirus vaccines offer is “very far” from complete and “we know very little about the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing infection or even asymptomatic disease against several variants circulating in different countries.” In addition, most countries do not have sufficient access to vaccines in order to immunize their populations, and Gurdasani warned a certificate system akin to vaccine passports would discriminate against those populations “even further.” more at the link
When your policies just plain suck for the American people you literally have to tell them they'll go to hell and the world will end if they don't vote for Republicans, or simply comply with any regulations coming from government. It's utter insanity, and running a political party like this has consequences. When people literally think they are fighting for their salvation.... people... they are going to resort to violence EVERY TIME.
Xenophobia about foerigners, immigrants, non Christian white Americans, jingoist rallies about "law and order" pertaining to urban minority neighborhoods comparisons to Nazi rheotoric -"gOdWiN's laW" Businesses that gather large crowds for events having the right to make sure those they sell tickets to have a vaccine during a pandemic - "tHatS liKe nAzI gErMaNy". @Os Trigonum @J.R. It's as if these people don't have a basic understanding of what motivates nationalistic fascism.... Identity and a feeling of supuroirity based on identity.
It also makes more people irrationally fear getting the vaccine which ironically extends desires for mask mandates and lockdown measures. It's like they are shooting themselves in the foot to find ways to get outraged.
In what world do we think that restaurants that don't even really police Mask Wearing are all the sudden going to be policing Vaccine Passports??? Airlines MAYBE... and that's an iffy maybe (see right wing owned Delta airlines who praises voter suppression laws) enforce Vaccine documentation, but that's very unlikely, and it'll only be for international flights where that country is mandating it so the airline then has to make sure they can actually deliver their passengers to the destination. But Restaurants and BARS???.... Are you people losing your F-ing minds???? You guys @JR @OSTrig need to come back down to reality. You'll still be able to get your Double Pork chop and Coors Light on Fridays at your local Texas Roadhouse without getting thrown in a concentration camp and gassed to death if you don't show your Gold Star... err... "I mean Vaccine Passport".
At this point are we really even debating that they want the pandemic to continue and kill everyone (while they somehow think they are all good cause they think they got it in November of 2019)? The only questions is why do they want the pandemic to continue? What are they getting out of all of this? Is it another case of projection where they accused the Democrats of sabotaging Trump's economy so the Democrats can win the next election? Do you now think that the pandemic needs to continue another 4 years so Trump or Ted Cruz can win in 2024? Like.... whats the freaking point of their positions on anything anymore? What the hell do they even want at this point?
The entire libertarian ethos the last year has been let everyone do what they want. If people don't feel safe being out and about, stay home. Let everyone else live their lives. How is this different? If you don't feel safe with a vaccine passport, don't get one and just don't do the things that require it. Let everyone else live their lives. Right? Or are the rules different when its the libertarians that don't feel safe?
Modern Libertarianism has suffered from what the right wing in general has suffered from for years now - their core ideology is based not on principles but what liberals desire. "Own the libs" has trickled down to Libertarianism. A lot of this Nazi comparison rhetoric is simply a "own the libs" moment to get back at all the times liberals have invoked "Godwin's Law".
Whatever the hell site that is has a pay wall... which means you must waste alot of money on this crap. Bars and Pubs aren't going to enforce vaccine passports and you damn well know it. MAYYYYBEEE the bars in Midtown or the Heights do it depending on the owner, but dude... YOU'LL FIND A BAR THAT'LL GIVE YOU A BEER. I don't know why you would think for a second that bars like this here in Texas are going to enforce Mark of the Beast Vaccine Passports.... You guys are living in a fantasy world. This was just the other day in San Antonio:
here you go, basically summarizes it https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/1448...tin-warns-vaccine-passports-final-straw-pubs/
The American Civil Liberties Union: https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/coronavirus-immunity-passports-are-not-the-answer/ Coronavirus 'Immunity Passports' are not the Answer A system of immunity passports in the United States threatens to exacerbate racial disparities and harm the civil liberties of all. As governments the world over seek ways to jumpstart economic activity, one proposal is a so-called “immunity passport” that would allow certain people who test positive for COVID-19 antibodies to return to work before others. We at the ACLU have serious concerns about the adoption of any such proposal, because of its potential to harm public health, incentivize economically-vulnerable people to risk their health by contracting COVID-19, exacerbate racial and economic disparities, and lead to a new health surveillance infrastructure that endangers privacy rights. An immunity passport system is fundamentally different from a regime whereby employers routinely test workers for COVID-19 or screen for symptoms, to ensure that no one with active infection is entering a workplace. In the latter system, only contagious workers are prevented from going to work and only for the period of time in which they are contagious. Every worker is subject to the same screening rules. But an immunity passport system would divide workers into two classes — the immune and the non-immune — and the latter might never be eligible for a given job short of contracting and surviving COVID-19 if an immune worker is available to take the slot. To start, the science does not yet justify the use of immunity passports or certificates. The World Health Organization has stated that we do not yet know the level of protection that COVID-19 antibodies (which show that someone was previously infected with the virus) provide against reinfection, nor do we know how long such protection might last. There are also ongoing questions about the accuracy of various COVID-19 antibody tests, with more than a dozen such tests currently on the market producing inaccurate or inconsistent results. Even small error rates could make reliance on antibody tests unworkable, or dangerous for those workers who get a false positive for antibodies. Given the lack of scientific support for reliable immunity determinations, no significant policy decisions should currently be made on the basis of presumed immunity. But even if we eventually were to gain confidence that individuals with COVID-19 antibodies may have immunity from reinfection for some period of time, there are serious civil liberties and civil rights harms from making workplace decisions on that basis. The widespread use of immunity passports by employers could create perverse incentives to contract COVID-19 for people who are the most economically insecure, as happened with a past outbreak of yellow fever in the United States. These incentives will be especially hard to counteract if immune workers are given preferential treatment in hiring or higher wages. The following are a few additional considerations that policymakers and private actors should consider. Exacerbating Racial Disparities and Disproportionately Harming People with Disabilities In the U.S., immunity passports could exacerbate existing racial disparities, harming workers of color and people with disabilities in particular. As COVID-19 data continues to be published, we are seeing stark racial disparities in who is being hospitalized or dying from COVID-19. New York City, for example, has had a disproportionate number of Black and Latinx people die from COVID-19. In Georgia, over 80 percent of those hospitalized have been Black. The industries most likely to adopt any immunity system will be those deemed essential and those in which employees cannot work from home — including health care, caregiving, food production and food service, emergency services, sanitation, transportation, and delivery — the very industries that employ many immigrants, workers of color, and women, often for low wages and without paid sick leave. One study showed that Black and Latinx workers are overrepresented in jobs that cannot be done remotely. Workers of color, in particular women of color, and low-income workers are therefore disproportionately likely to be affected by a workplace immunity passport policy than white-collar workers who have continued to earn an income through remote work. Communities of color, including Black, Latinx, and Indigenous communities, already face health disparities due to socioeconomic barriers, including inequity in access to testing, treatment, and high-quality care. They are therefore more likely to have higher rates of the health conditions that increase the risks of COVID-19. As a result, it is foreseeable, maybe even inevitable, that an immunity passport system, with all its attendant pressures on workers to acquire immunity, would result in disproportionately more illness and death among people of color in the U.S. It would disproportionately harm all workers who have disabilities that put them at greater risk of severe illness or death from COVID-19. There is also a risk that employers will prefer to hire workers with immunity than devote resources to across-the-board safety precautions that protect all workers and the people they come into contact with. Even if the accuracy of antibody tests improves, any workers who falsely test positive would remain at risk, as might those with lesser or waning immunity. Since so much remains unknown about the virus, the use of immunity passports could lull a workplace into an unjustified sense of security that it need not implement appropriate protocols against transmission of COVID-19. Privacy Harms from a New Health Surveillance Infrastructure Any immunity passport system endangers privacy rights by creating a new surveillance infrastructure to collect health data. It is one thing for an employee to voluntarily disclose their COVID-19 status to an employer on a one-off basis. But it is another for that information to be collected and retained, either by the government or by private companies offering immunity certifications, depending on how any immunity passport system in the U.S. is implemented. The ACLU has warned against the use of location-tracking technologies that will enshrine ever-greater data collection and surveillance without commensurate public health efficacy or benefits. It is unclear whether a persistent health surveillance infrastructure could protect anonymity and health privacy while also ensuring that uploaded testing data is authentic. more at the link
