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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jun 2, 2006.

  1. Nick

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    Russ Springer assumes the Mike Gallo role of bullpen martyr.
     
  2. RocketManJosh

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    way to go bullpen
     
  3. Uprising

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    LMAO! Springer strikes again! Freel's first career 2 homer game.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Russ "right down the middle" Springer strikes again.

    Our bullpen sucks, so does our hitting, and our starting pitching.

    I give em till the all star break, then it is time to bring up Jimerson & Scott.

    DD
     
  5. Gene the PIG

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    WHYWHYWHY does Springer still have a job pitching?

    I hate us. I really do.
     
  6. RIET

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    All we need is Dan Micelli.

    Astros management must be blind.
     
  7. Major

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    You realize Springer has - by far - the best ERA, WHIP, and batting average against in our bullpen? Before today, his numbers this season per inning were slightly better than Roy O. Backe is the only player on the team with better pitching stats.
     
  8. RocketManJosh

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    Seems like we have the anti-clutch team ever since the start of May whereas we were really clutch in April. In fact didn't we have an awesome record in 1 run games in April.

    Hate to say it, but we really resemble last years Washington Nationals when they started out hot in 1 run games before coming down to earth.
     
  9. rocketfat

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    there is no such thing as "clutch" in baseball.
     
  10. RIET

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    What is his WHIP/ERA when the game is tied or we're winning by less than 2 runs?

    When the game is on the line, Springer is not good.
     
  11. Gene the PIG

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    Question: How often is Springer an ingredient in a W?

    Answer: NEVER

    Same way Gallo wasn't.

    Springer sucks.
     
  12. The Real Shady

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    Springer going into this game had a record of 1 Win 0 Loses.
     
  13. Surfguy

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    We need a Chronicle tombstone to turn this club around.

    Swept by the Reds. Say it ain't so!
     
  14. Major

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    In our last 12 games, we have 2 wins. Springer pitched perfect innings in both of them. Do people just make up stats in order to whine?
     
  15. Burzmali

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    I've been on this board longer than you have chief.

    I've never heard JD say anything to that effect, and he's certainly not the origin of the idea. I've been seeing articles about the absence of statistical evidence of clutch performance in baseball even back before Moneyball came out. There is no reason for me to cite him as a source.

    Of course there is such thing as coming up with a big hit. Of course there are times when players choke or succeed in pressure situations. However, there is no statistical evidence for there being a difference in performance spread out over a significant sample size in clutch vs non-clutch situations. Today's Craig Biggio does not "wilt" under pressure in any statistically supported way.

    Yes, I can formulate my own opinion. I also read the opinions and thoughts of experts. This is called learning. You definitely need some education in the subject of baseball.

    The evidence you present in support of your case is laughable. Do you watch all of the Astros games? For how many seasons? Every at-bat? And do you have statistical evidence of Biggio failing in "95%" of these "clutch" situations? Do you have documentation? Probably not. Is that just some number you pulled out of your ass while catching a handful of games per season? Most likely.

    I didn't just repeat what you said, I challenged your notion that 25 home runs from Biggio last year was "low on the list" for second baseman. Erroneous. It was actually good for 5th best among major league second baseman.

    You're "sure" that there are twenty other 2Bs that could hit 25 HRs for Houston. Sounds really scientific.



    His number this year are right in line with his career averages. Are you suggesting that they are an outlier?


    I'm arguing that you are underrating Biggio defensively. His range numbers are actually quite impressive. I watch many games.


    I have to quote this again. It's necessary. "replacing biggio with a better offensive player also undoubtedly gives you a better defensive player as well." Wow. Undoubtedly? It does, really?

    I've just cited statistics that directly contradict what you are saying. He is neither a below average hitter nor an awful fielder. Are you just ignoring facts now?

    The team is in desperate need of an offensive spark... so we should trade a top five hitting second baseman?


    Except Biggio hasn't gotten worse as he's gotten older. He's posted the best power numbers of his career. He is right on pace to maintain his career averages in offensive production.

    Now you're going to use a basketball analogy? Grasping at straws. Is there a superstar second baseman on the bench that I'm forgetting?

    You like to lay on the personal attacks, but you don't even do it well. Would I like to replace any of the Astros? Of course. I would love to get Chase Utley in at second and ARod at shortstop, and Johan Santana in the rotation. Do I think making any trades at this juncture is realistic right now? Not with the payroll already at 105 million.

    I will say this. If you're looking at improving this lineup, you need to look other places than the middle infield. Everett is an absolute stud shortstop, and does what he should. Amazing glove, weak hitting from the #8 spot. Biggio provides solid production from second base. If you want to improve the offense, look to the mediocre corner outfield production. Those are positions that are traditionally relied on to provide offense.

    I feel sorry for you. You appear to have well below average intelligence. You seem destined for a career in food services. I, on the other hand, have always been and always will be an upper-echelon individual in society. Pray that I don't run you over in my superflously luxurious SUV after you serve me in some demeaning fashion.
     
  16. MadMax

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    rocketfat --

    seriously...learn to make an argument without going to the personal insult card. you started this with me, earlier. now you're throwing it out to burzmali. stop acting like a victim when people respond in kind to that crap.

    if you weren't banned after that last, "your daddy should have pulled out" number....simply make your argument. see if you can make it without a personal attack. you make your point a lot better that way. right now, you're nearly impossible to have a discussion with...which, as i understand it, is the whole point of an internet message board.
     
  17. Rule0001

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    Arod disagrees. :)
     
  18. Miguel

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    Thanks oomp. Tickets rocked. Game did not. (well, it did for 10 innings.)
     
  19. Gene the PIG

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    Uh ... yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:

    OK, Springer rules.

    Those two appearences define his career. He's the most awesome 24-38 above 5.00 ERA pitcher in history.
     
  20. rocketfat

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    didn't intend to with you, madmax. if i came across that way, i apologize. but in this case, he is the one who started the insults, and i am not one to take them quietly, even on an internet message board. like another user said, if you are that offended by my comments, you can simply put me on ignore.

    and to the poor detestable soul above who signed up for this BBS last month and has done nothing but instigate people since, i will not give you the pleasure of spending much more of my time replying to you or your weak, dominated arguments, but to sum things up, you lose again. sorry.
     

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