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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jun 2, 2006.

  1. Burzmali

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    Oh, boy. I don't even know where to begin, I feel like a kid in a candy store. You don't feel like getting into a verbal assault (incorrect word choice, you probably meant to use something closer to 'argument') with me because you were so completely exposed the last time around. Let's breakdown your argument point by point.

    1) Your first comment supporting the idea that Biggio is not a capable hitter deals with your claim that he doesn't perform in the clutch, "come up with the big hit". There is no such thing as clutch ability in baseball, period. There are no clutch players. Derek Jeter is not a clutch player. Learn this, absorb it, accept it, move on with your life.

    2) Let's compare his numbers last year with other 2Bs in the league. 25 home runs is "fine" according to you, but low on the list? Try 5th best among all major league second baseman last season.

    3) Let's compare his numbers this year also, since you think he will be worse than two thirds of the second baseman in baseball. As of today, he's sitting currently at 4th best among all major league second baseman in OPS.

    4) He's actually not 50 years old, and he actually does have both arms. Erroneous on both counts.

    5) About Biggio having the worst range in the league, ouch. Actually he ranks 5th best in the majors in range factor. He's also 6th in the majors in zone rating. I guess you really do have no idea what you're talking about.

    6) Now you bring up Everett's defense. So basically, you are using the arguments of people who you have been arguing with in the Everett discussion. Hypocritical much? Even if Biggio's defense was as horrendous as you claim, his offensive production is much higher than what Bruntlett would reasonably be projected to provide. Why do you suddently rate defense so highly, especially at second base which is a much less critical position than shortstop?

    7) Not to mention the fact that he's a solid offensive player at a key position, Biggio is a legend in Houston. Have you ever even been to a game? Have you not seen the statue out front? I grew up going to games at the Dome, and I grew up watching Craig Biggio play for the Astros. So you're right, it's not surprising that I don't think the team should "move on" from a legendary player like Biggio. A player that stats god Bill James ranks the 35th best player in the history of baseball. A player who has remained loyal to this organization his entire career in an era of free agency and the call of the dollar. A player who deserves to pursue the three thousand hit milestone with the team he started his career with, with the team who's hat he'll wear in the Hall of Fame.

    Never sully the name of Biggio again. I'm done with you, meat.
     
  2. The Cat

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    I haven't followed this thread because I've been out of town the last week, but the idea that 25 homers is "fine" for a second baseman is one of the understatements of the century. For a middle infielder to put up those kinds of power numbers is fantastic and a crucial part of a team's success, especially for a team that lacks power at other key positions (corner OF) and needs a way to compensate for that.

    Unless he's somehow hitting under .200 or having an OBP of sub .290 or something, the idea that 2/3 of the 2B in the league will outperform a 20-25 HR second baseman is silly. Power is just so rare at that position that Craig is extremely valuable because of that alone.

    Also, fwiw, several major league scouts commented in the first month of this season that Biggio's arm looked much improved at second. They said it still wasn't good, but that he looked quite capable. You're completely fine to say what you will, but many prominent executives and scouts who track this performance for a living disasgree. The statistics also differ from your opinion, as shown by the last post.
     
  3. JunkyardDwg

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    Anyone knocking Bidge needs to take a hard look at his stats: top 5 in Runs, Hits, Doubles, Total Bases and Walks. It's silly to even suggest pulling him when you practically have an outfield by committee happening right now.
     
  4. RocketManJosh

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    2 days in a row Bruntlett has failed with a guy on 3rd and less than 2 outs. Not gonna get it done.
     
  5. The Real Shady

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    Damn you Griffey!
     
  6. JunkyardDwg

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    So....Biggio doesn't come up with the Big hits huh...if not for a tremendous catch by Griffey the Stros would be winning this game right now.
     
  7. RocketManJosh

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    And now for the bullpen :mad:
     
  8. Stack24

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    That was Griffey being Griffey...great grab to save the lead.
     
  9. RocketManJosh

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    This is rediculous ... I hate this bullpen
     
  10. torque

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    Garner needs to ****ing go.
     
  11. My Lund

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    Here we go Miller comes in and promptly gives up the lead. What else is new these days . These lefties are absolutely worthless...... :mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  12. rocketfat

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    i cant believe i'm wasting my time responding to a pathetic brainless waste of life who just signed up for this bbs last month so he can do nothing but take anger out and instigate people because he hates his life, but....

    quote jim deshaies much do you? i've heard him say the same thing, loser. at least cite him and give him credit if you are going to take the words out of his mouth. there is such thing as coming up with a big hit. some people wilt under pressure, and today's craig biggio is one of them.

    can you formulate your own opinion or is all you do quote other people and books? i watch the games. i judge for myself. i watch biggio fail to come through in 95% of the situations where coming up with a big hit is what the team needs.

    ummm....thanks for re-iterating exactly what i said? 25 hr's is GREAT! how about that! i'm sure there are 20 other 2nd basemen that can equal that playing there home games in a matchbox.

    .260 ba and .325 obp don't mean much i guess.

    why dont we revisit that at the end of the year, like i said. ok, billy beane?

    damn. you got me there. excellent point. (sadly, i think you may really think you are making a point here)

    lolol....are you really going to argue that craig biggio has top-tier range? have you ever watched the games?

    sadly, you are too dense to see the point here or the difference. replacing biggio with a better offensive player also undoubtedly gives you a better defensive player as well. biggio is a below average hitter, and an awful fielder. replacing him easily improves the team on both sides of the ball.

    everett is a great fielder and an incapable hitter on a team in desperate need of an offensive spark.



    yep, and hakeem was a legend in houston too. players get old, and get worse. somehow you are too ****ing stupid to understand that. should he have been allowed to stick around and start at center for however the **** long he pleased? if he was still here today would you be arguing to keep yao on the bench?

    you are a dumb, completely blinded homer. is there an astro on the roster that you would replace??? or criticize??

    i feel sorry for you, you should quit posting here, and your father should have pulled out and squirted you on the wall when he had the chance.

    enjoy your misery, and consider yourself owned like no other.
     
  13. RocketManJosh

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    Sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't, but do you know how to discuss things like an adult without always taking it to the personal level? Comments like these are disturbing. You really need to grow up.
     
  14. rocketfat

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    also, let's not forget that i all i said was that you will not see us have a premier offense (hell, a consistent offense even), until the likes of biggio, ausmus, everett, and taveras are replaced with better hitters.

    our team is what it is this season. i have no problem that biggio is on the team right now, and until he gets his 3,000th hit. i'm just saying that he is well past his prime, and he is certainly a component holding our offense back.
     
  15. rocketfat

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    does he???? like i said, i didnt want to get into a war of words. he took it there. talk to him before me. he took it there, and i'm not taking that idiot's insults lying down.
     
  16. torque

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    Sorry guys, I guess I'm too good of a pitcher for the Astros. :)
     
  17. RocketManJosh

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    Nice job Burke! Whew!! I thought Kearns was gonna get Lamb at home.
     
  18. My Lund

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    Cant we all just get along ?
     
  19. RocketManJosh

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    Is Bruntlett's average really that much better than Everetts?
     
  20. RocketFan007

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    Bruntlett - .808 OPS
    Everett - .575 OPS
     

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