I already admitted this may not work but it's got a better chance of us getting deeper in the playoffs than Head for JJ Redick.
You guys are overrating Battier, or shall I say overrating a shut down defender at the wing position (and Battier isn't even that, but he does make folks work real hard for their shots). Who is the shut-down defensive wing for LA? Their defense is atrocious overall, but they outscore everyone. What about the Hornets? Not saying either team will win the title, but they are both clearly better than us at this moment. You put a dead-eye shooter next to Yao and it changes everything. Look at all the extra space Howard got this season because they brought Lewis over. On top of that you still have a do-it-all wing like T-Mac...and he actually likes to pass. Hell yeah you can have my defensive player for that. It's just easier to find guys like that (Bowen picked up, Hornets have Peterson, Lakers traded for Ariza to fill the role, etc). I don't see it happening though....
Trading Head for JJ Redick is useless. He ride's the bench for reason. I wouldn't trade for Redd any day of the week. If you keep T-Mac or Yao, you are going to have over 51 million tied up in three guys. Redd also needs to command the ball to be successful, look at his shot attempts, that's the number that Yao and T-Mac put up. I don't see him being willing to be the third wheel.
did you read any posts before you written that? he's the main go to guy for that team. who is he going to pass too? bogut? yi? redd is a GREAT shooter. and even being the number 1, he's doing pretty good. he is clutch, and he is pretty consistant. shooters that doesn't have to stand around to make a shot.. that was what we were missing the past 3-6 years. battier just stands around. luther likes to cut then go back out and stand. bjax is pretty much inconsistant as rafer. redd will shoot over picks, he will go through picks for the catch and shoot while moving. how much are paul pierce, kg, and ray allen making for boston? pretty sure not as much as us. especially with yao's low salary (13 mill) we would be building up as boston, not spurs. kg - yao pierce - tmac allen - redd let me say, all our players are younger than those in boston. plus we also have better role players. you got our 3 headed pfs. great backup center in mutombo. of course, they have way better pgs, but we could adress that in the offseason and hope for stevie to make a comeback. battier and freakin bjax. come on. you have to take that. it's like that iverson discussion we had. if the right deals come, you just have to take it. lakers did it with gasol... so should we.
I think you guys are nuts. Milwaukee MAY be able to give him away for expirings. MAY. $15 million for a shooter? You're nuts. Giving up Shane for Mike Miller is too much. IF YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE UP SHANE AND EXPIRINGS FOR MICHAEL REDD, JUST GO GET THE REAL DEAL, VINCE CARTER. CARTER IS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER THAN MICHAEL REDD.
Heres Hollingers take: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?playerId=692 2006-07 season: Redd improved his scoring average for a sixth straight season, and was en route to his best pro season before he hurt his knee on a meaningless dunk in the final seconds of a loss to Cleveland on Jan. 5. That injury and a subsequent knee problem combined to knock him out of action for 29 games, and his team suffered mightily in his absence. The Bucks were 6-23 when Redd didn't play, but a far more respectable 22-31 when he did. Though nominally a shooting guard, injuries forced Redd to play the majority of his minutes at small forward last season. It wasn't a big stretch for him at 6-6, and his player efficiency rating of 22.4 ranked second at the position behind some guy named LeBron. Redd's scoring skill really has become phenomenal. He ranked fourth in usage rate at his position and sixth in true shooting percentage -- an awesome combo that illustrates his skill both in creating shots and making them. He did all this while once again posting a very low turnover ratio -- ranking 11th at his position. Scouting report: One way Redd has refined his game is by reducing the number of long 2-pointers he takes. His mind-set seems to be to either shoot a 3 or go to the basket. The proportion of Redd's shots that were long 2s has decreased from 24.6 percent to 22.8 percent to 18.3 percent the past three years, while his proportion of 3s has gone in the opposite direction -- from 26.0 percent to 37.0 percent to 42.4 percent last season. This worked out well for him -- he hits the 3 as well as anyone, of course (39.2 percent for his career), so highlighting that part of his game only makes sense. But somehow, Redd also managed to draw a career-best 7.9 free-throw attempts per game. His rate of free-throws per field-goal attempt ranked ninth among small forwards, mainly because when he wasn't shooting a jumper he was going to the rim. At a solidly built 6-6 he can take a hit and still complete the shot, and the southpaw's repertoire of moves has expanded significantly since he came into the league. However, one area he needs work on is creating shots for others. Opponents have caught on to the fact that Redd is a poor passer who gets tunnel vision once he puts it on the floor, and they send multiple defenders at him as soon as he starts dribbling. Redd's assist ratio was once again near the bottom at his position, and should be much higher given all the attention he draws. Redd is a nonfactor on defense and almost always guards the opponent's worst offensive player. While part of this is simply common sense because of the effort he expends at the other end of the court, Redd is also conspicuous by his absence on plays off the ball. Perhaps Larry Krystkowiak will demand more from him on this end than the Bucks' past two coaches did. 2007-08 outlook: Redd should again be the Bucks' go-to guy offensively, but he ought to have more help for this go-round since Milwaukee is unlikely to be ravaged by so many injuries again. If so, expect his scoring average to go down a little and his percentages to go up. Nonetheless, the projections foresee another Top-20 PER. And maybe, just maybe, this is the year the league finally gets around to inviting one of its best shooters to the 3-point contest.
Yep... that's pretty much it. Not only that, Redd is consistently out of shape and his defense is laughable. He doesn't hustle and while he bumped up his assists this year, I don't find him to be a willing ball-sharer. The dude can flat out score, but I would have to question his heart and wouldn't be willing to part with key players to obtain him.
For about 60% of the money, Mike Miller Overview: Miller has quietly developed into one of the most versatile and efficient offensive threats in the game. Miller is a multi-faceted offense threat, good with the shot, the drive, and the pass. He often plays more than one position during the course of a game, including a point-forward type role in some stretches. Miller is best suited to be a team’s 3rd option, where his overall floor game can benefit the team greatest. He is capable of explosive scoring games, but not consistently enough to be a first or second option. Offense: Miller is one of the best shooters off the dribble in the NBA. His ability to shoot off the bounce extends out the 3-point range as well, thanks to his picture perfect mechanics, quick release and very high arc. Unlike most perimeter players, Miller utilizes the pull-up game to great effect, in addition to being outstanding coming off screens. He has plus size and length to go along with excellent ball-handling skills for the wing. Miller is not great at getting to the free throw line, but maximizes his possessions with excellent efficiency and strong playmaking, although he’s just a little bit turnover prone. His basketball IQ is superb and he’s extremely unselfish, allowing him to make quick decisions with the ball and find the open man with no hesitation. Nearly half of his shots come from behind the arc, but he hits them at such a high rate that it’s extremely hard to argue with. He gets to the basket at a decent rate, thanks to his solid first step, and is a very good finisher once there, more-so due to his superb skill-level and smarts than any incredible explosiveness at the rim. He is much better going right than left, though, something that smart teams like to take advantage of. Defense: Miller is a non-descript defender at the wing. He’s often criticized for being soft, but he’s more average than anything else. Miller gives up an above average amount of points at the wing, but opponents don’t shoot extremely high percentages against him. Miller’s biggest weakness on defense is his lack of physicality. His foot speed is better than advertised, but he isn’t fast enough to simply play off his man and try and react to his initial move. Miller attempts to use his size and length to disrupt his opponent’s shots, giving space to drive and reacting to his moves. He is better guarding small forwards than 2-guards, although offensively he is mostly used as a guard.
When Shaq and Kobe won their first championship, the third option on that team was Glen Rice. At the time, he was about as reliable of a spot up shooter as there was in the league. He was just coming off of his best years as a Hornet, putting up high scoring numbers. I don't think the difference between Redd and Glen Rice at that point in their careers is all that great. A lights out shooter would make a world of difference for this team offensively. Teams are more than happy to send defenders at our two stars and watch the others consistently miss wide open looks. A player like Redd would make it much tougher for teams to successfully do that.
Key to what? First round exits? I would like either Miller or Redd, but Memphis seems to want to gouge people on Miller and Milwawkee seems will to take scraps and expirings for a dead-eye shooter. Guess you cant go wrong either way.
would you rather give up Shane Battier or Luis Scola to get a shooter/3rd scorer? not criticizing your point, I just think it's an interesting question. Does a quality 3rd scorer or swing man make Battier expendable?
i would do this in a heartbeat this is why we lost to the jazz no shooters he adds to that.and for the people who said he 's not our 3rd scorer. 22.7 points per game morey could and will get this done on draft day and another thing you guys are acting like shane battier is the face of the franchise people on this forum say they would trade T-mac but not shane battier. get out of here
IMO, Yes. As said earlier in thread, Hou was a top 5ish defensive team before Shane. Yao Howard McGrady Wesley Sura That starting 5 had its beastly moments defensively. Slow footed Sura guarding PGs...6'3 Wesley defending wings...Juwan Howard ('nuff said)....Yao back then got off the team bus with 2 fouls. Having another scorer will make the scola's and rafer's that much better offensively simply because they wont be as important. Of course they will have to play well but now you wont be living and dieing off their production. It'll stil come down to the stars but we'll have 3 instead 2
when u have a chance to get a 20+ point scorer for your best defender and a going to retire PG, you do it every time. It meants rox will have to do more trades to complete the team, but a core of redd, tmac and yao is as good as it can be to start from. one more thing, with redd and yao taking huge proportion of the offensive responsibilities, tmac will have more energy to defend as well.
Thank you. This is exactly correct. If it hasn't already been mentioned it should be that Redd has done all this as his team's #1 offensive threat most of the time. He isn't getting Shane Battier or Luther Head looks at the 3 point line. The guy has done this with no great distributor like McGrady and no great inside threat like Yao. The other team's main focus on defense is to keep Michael Redd from getting good looks from outside. Imagine what he would do if he actually had wide open shots? FYI - he is also better at getting to and finishing at the rim than many people think. He is pretty athletic and a big, strong two guard. How people think Michael Redd taking shots away from McGrady is a bad thing is beyond me.
I wouldn't do this deal...just look at how much the Bucks sucked...and Redd was the reason they lost a few games late in the 4th quarter...by that I mean he stuffed up key players at the end of those games, not because I'm pushing other player's mistakes on him. Plus I BobbyJ's contract has better uses elsewhere and Shane = Kobe on defense
