Please show me where the other options are that have career averages of 20 ppg and 39% from 3, who can be had for Shane Battier and filler. It just so happens that our biggest need, a guy who can stick wide open shots, is Michael Redd's best asset. If there are more people like this out there, I'd like to know who they are. Whether they can be had for cheaper contract wise, or in terms of what we're giving up, I'd like to see them. Michael Redd is probably overpaid, but it sounds like Milwaukee is ready give him up for pennies on the dollar performance wise. Do you remember the Gasol deal? If the Bucks are planning a fire sale, I say we line up. In addition, this move lets T-Mac slide back to the 3 spot, which he is probably better suited for at this point in his career.
Well, 5 years ago, Redd was 23 years old, the 7th man of the team because they started Payton (Ray Allen was traded), Cassell, Desmond Mason, Tim Thomas and Anthony Mason. Then Kukoc came off the bench and played more than Redd. You know, that's not that great of a team, but whatever. We'll just have to agree to disagree on the importance of 1 season and 1 playoffs 5 years ago when Redd was a 23 year-old 7th man. I think there are more things GM's will evaluate rather than that, for example, how he played last year, or maybe 2 years ago. But your 2nd point is better. $15mill for a 3rd wheel that may not come through in pressure is a gamble, but how many sure fire clutch playoff players are available? Of course Manu Ginobili is ideal because he's only making $10mill a year and has proven playoff success...but of course he's unattainable. I think your standards are too high because any feasible move is risky. Dallas took a chance on Jason Terry when they trade for a him (good player on a bad team w/no clutch playoff track record) and gave up Antoine Walker (he was still good then...went to Eastern Conf Finals) and Tony Delk. Terry ended up having his moments for the Mavs in the playoffs. I don't know if getting Redd is the right move or not, but as I stated, there's not going to be any no-brainer trade that lands a star on the Rockets for scraps. Pau Gasol ain't happening again, so any trade that is discussed will most likely be risky.
they were in the playoffs three years ago (or two years, depending on how you count)...not last season, but the season before. besides which, if we're using playoffs or playoff success as a means of judging a players capabilities, well...the Rockets are already in serious trouble.
Micheal Redd in Rockets Red sounds damn good to me. Come on Morey work your magic...err wizardry. One way Rockets could entice the Bucks to trade w/ us is to "let" them sign an offer sheet to Landy and simply not match it. Then we could trade Battier,Francis, Luther, and Bjax for Michael Redd and Charlie Villanueva( who will be turning 24 and is 6ft 11) By letting Landry walk we can use the MLE for a back up swingman. If I were Milwaukee I would consider it. They get their hometown guy Landry(who is a beast), and an all around small forward in Battier, and about ten million in expirings. They could either use or trade the draft pick along w/ one of their bad contracts to fill the shooting guard hole.Its a win/win....really it is. On the other hand we will break up the ScoLandry tandem and we could possibly mess up the beatiful thing we had going before injuries took their toll. Im willing to take that risk. We all want championships right?
I guess we have to disagree then, I just can't see the team spending almost 16 million next season for what we can get at a lower price. To me, it feels like when the Rockets traded away Sam, Horry, etc. to get Barkley. Barkley was a great player at a position that the Rockets were weak at after they traded Otis away for Drexler. We traded away some young guys then too who have been successful in their NBA careers and we might have won a playoff series, but we never went back to the finals.
I agree that $16mill is a lot and is a legit concern. I don't know if we can get Redd at a lower price. I do like James Jones though. Who else is out there that shoots efficiently as Redd and is a proven scorer? Mike James was brought in under that premise, but he was 1 year removed from producing, and only had 1 big year...before that he was a bench guy. Who is out there now? Mike Miller? I think the Rockets would love to have him, and it is being discussed in numerous threads. Also, the difference between a Battier poo poo platter trade (Head and Jackson) + $$$ + maybe a draft pick for Redd and what happened back then is quite huge. Cassell and Horry were a huge part of a 2-time championship team. Maybe if Cassell, Horry, Bryant, and Chucky Brown were not traded for Barkley, then the Rockets would have went back to the finals. But you can't make that comparison because umm, it's not like Battier has been an integral part of Houston Rockets playoff success. This is his 1st good playoff performance ever. "We never went back to the finals" does not apply here, unless you think a T-Mac, Redd, Yao, Landry, Scola, Brooks, Alston + MLE FA will "never go back to the playoffs". Because that's all this Rockets team has done, made it to the 1st round and lost. Personally, I don't mind them not even thinking about a Redd trade and going MLE FA on a 3rd scorer for the wing positions and going to battle again. But this is the last year. If the Rockets go 1st round and out again, even if they have a 30 game win streak, it would be time to blow up the team...Battier, Mac...all would be fair game.
For me that would depend on who the Rockets can get with their MLE. If Scola is dealt, then the Rockets would need another PF who can get his own points inside and hustle and rebound. If it's Battier, then the Rockets would need a wing player who can defend and knock down jumpers.
Of that point I would have to agree. I think it boils down to what Les is willing to pay and what Morey can get done. We continually hear that Memphis wants Scola which to me doesn't improve us, it's more lateral and ends up being better for Memphis because they save a bunch of money. If the Bucks were willing to take a bunch of our expirings and players we are willing to part with hopefully Luther Head being one of them then who am I to argue if Les is willing to pay for it. He has said that he is willing to pay the luxury tax if the player is right. If Redd is willing to be the third scorer or even second scorer behind Yao and T-Mac being the play maker, I think it could work. If we didn't have a cap then I would be all for it. I'm all for blowing the team up if they can't get it done. I don't think a MLE player will be able to do it though, unless we get another diamond thrown at us like Scola. More than likely it will have to be a 9-10 million type player like Richard Jefferson, Mike Miller, even Maggette.
this is a no brainer trade for us. redd will solve out offensive woes, free up yao and t-mac, and give matchup nightmares to anyone we play. offensively, a yao/mac/redd combo is easily one of the most potent in the league.
Hard call to make. If I felt more cofortable with Landry starting and Mike Harris improving enough for signicant minutes off the bench, then I would have to think about it. If they were willing to add Darko to the mix, then I would pull the trigger. Redd for Battier seems easier, but the question is would Redd's offensive skills offset Battier defense. I know how much we knock him for not having any offense and we knock him becuase some don't think his defense is all that, but he has always guarded the other teams best wing players. Redd is a great shooter, but his defense is suspect. Hard call for me on this one. If they added that forward guy..what's his name, I'd probably pull the trigger on that one. It gives us more chips to move if need be.
No offense taken. Trust me, I am not underestimating his trade value. I was praying they were having a fire sale and we'd be lucky to land him. And didn't he recently decline a contract extension? I remember reading somewhere stating that he (and Deng) were foolish for not taking the initial offer and is probably going to get less b/c of the surplus of FA this off season. If they do pick up rose? what's going to happen next?? someones got to go.
Hopefully that's a no brainer. If we ignored the salaries and make it a player to player evaluation, Battier would be gladly traded for Redd. I can't say the same of the Scola deal. I really can see us trading Scola if it means we get an A-lister. Brand Josh Smith Jefferson The way teams like to hoard stars these days, especially in threes, its harder to get one. Those left with any kind of effective weapons that we'd want are not going to be given up in a fire sale. Are we left with hoping Brand wants out or do we have to resort to a guy like Jermaine O'Neal with more question marks? Do we risk our chips for a younger attainable unknown? I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions.
Battier and Bobby Jackson for Redd works straight up, at least according to the ESPN trade machine. That should be a no brainer.
Guys, the Rockets need to try really hard to get Michael Redd. He's been doing sub-par in Milwaukee and they are a developing young team and Redd just doesn't fit in well with them. And therefore Redd will be traded this off-season. • Michael Redd is a career 20.5 ppg scorer and .387 shooter from 3-point range. • Redd's career field goal percentage is .452. • Redd wears number 22 because he wants to score double the amount of points Yao scores, hence his jersey number is twice as big. • Last season Redd averaged 22.7 points and shot .362 from 3-point range. • In the changing room, Redd is a role model for young players. • Michael Redd has played under 72 games just once since 2002-03. • Redd's best years statistically in the NBA were '05-'06 and '06-'07 when he averaged 25.4 and 26.7 points respectively. He also shot .395 and .382 from 3-point range in those years respectively. • Michael Redd last appeared in the playoffs in 2005-06. He averaged 27.2 points and shot 46 percent from three-point range that year. • I won't mention what he shot the other two times he played in the playoffs, because I'm trying to make a point here. the above I got from a Cleveland fan blog...but since I was going to say very similar points and stats I just largely copied his points here and editted to suit. I'm thinking: Shane Battier 6 mil Bobby Jackson 6 mil Luther Head 1 mil 1st round pick for Michael Redd 2nd round pick
why will redd be the third scorer? With the way tmac is playing, i see Yao as the first choice, redd as the 2nd, while tmac do the scoring when needed. And 1 thing for sure is that, when you have 3 guys who will get at 20 every night, it does not really matters if you are the 1st, 2nd or 3rd scorer. One other aspect of Redd's game is that his dribble penetration, which other than Tmac, there is no one else doing it. His offensive game is tailor made to the inabilities of the current rox squad, 3p and dribble penetration. On defense, with the less load tmac is carrying at offense, he will play much better defense. And with the good team defense that the rox have, i doubt that with the lost of 1 player, the whole defense will be collapsed. Regarding about the contract, its huge, but i like the length of the contract. 2 years and another year after that player option. With that player option during the Lebron sweepstakes year, redd might be tempted to try his luck for the FA market, as a number of teams including rox have been preparing for it. Its that or his contract ended the same year as yao's.
