1. Why are you going to pay 15 million a year to be a third guy who's not the "go to" guy. That's crazy. The bucks had him, Sam, Ray Allen, and never made it any where in a weaker eastern conference. 2. Yao is going to make 15 million next season, not 13 and it keeps going up. 3. You are not just going to pay 15 million for three years, no you are paying almost 16 million and it keeps going up like Yao's. On top of that, you have the luxury tax which will make Redd a 20 million plus player. He's not worth that. The bottom line is Redd would be a nice pick up, but not at that price. Morey is moneyball, that's not money ball, that's dumb ball. You want to get a Mike Miller type of player for twice the money, that's not smart. Making the type of trade that would be required to get Redd huge. We can't just dumb a couple of salaries and chips to make it work because we don't have that kind of salary. If you keep Tracy and Yao, you are trading Rafer, BJ, and Shane to make the money work and that leaves us with Aaron Brooks and Steve Francis for point guards. No thank you, the price is to high.
The thought of trading for Michael Redd makes sense not only in the short run, but in the long run. In the short run, we bring in a prolific shooter who gives us something the Rockets haven't seen since maybe Mad Max or Cuttino Mobley, a shooter in the truest sense of the word. He's not 1-dimensional at all; he can put the ball on the floor and has a good pull up game. People, you don't average over 20 ppg in the NBA by being a standstill shooter on the freaking Bucks. Who on the Bucks do other teams double team? Ramon Sessions?! Battier's defensive loss is huge, but think about the number of defensive studs and/or high energy players we have on this team: Rafer, Landry, Scola, Dikembe, Chuck Hayes. That's a lot of hustle. One could argue that Battier's main talents (team play, hustle, and defense) are redundant. A trade for Redd coupled with the drafting or signing of a big wing who plays defense (Brandon Rush, Pietrus) would make our team much more well rounded and a SERIOUS threat to win the 'ship. In the long run, as a previous poster mentioned, Redd and TMac coming off the books circa the same time allows us to rebuild and blow up this whole thing if it doesn't work out. We would have ridiculous cap money in an age where cap space is unheard of. Think about it, its like getting the chance to date a beautiful girl, but if it doesn't work out, you're guaranteed a date with her just-as-hot best friend.
1. look at boston. kg is making 24 mill next year. Paul is making 18 mill next year, and allen is making 17 mill next year. and i'm rounding down. tracy is 21, yao is 15, and redd is 16. and... sam cassel does not equal tracy or yao. and ray allen also does not equal tracy or yao. 2. look at number 1. 3. luxary tax is the team as whole. not just redd. again, this trade, if the bucks offer, does not depend on morey or coach, cause they would do it in an instance, but whether or not, Les wants to pax the tax. 4. pg issue, we still have the mle, the lle. and verterans like damon and sam (spurs and boston) will come to us for cheap.
i was talking about verterans like them. doesn't have to be them... those old players who already made lots of money and haven't won anything. that player could be tracy one day...
i think this is my favorite thread on the offseason forum... michael redd...and come to think of it... shawn marion doesn't sound too bad either...
Congratulations on a successful trade. Due to Houston and Milwaukee being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Milwaukee had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Trade ID Trade ID #4608970 Every trade made by fans is allocated a unique Trade ID which you can share with friends and fellow basketball fans to allow them to see your trade scenario. Try Another Trade or visit our Trade Forum. Houston Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: -1.4 ppg, -5.0 rpg, and -2.0 apg. Incoming Players Michael Redd 6-6 SG from Ohio State 22.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.5 minutes Outgoing Players Bobby Jackson 6-1 PG from Minnesota 7.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 19.0 minutes Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke 9.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.3 minutes Luther Head 6-3 PG / SG from Illinois 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 18.9 minutes Milwaukee Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: +1.4 ppg, +5.0 rpg, and +2.0 apg. Incoming Players Bobby Jackson 6-1 PG from Minnesota 7.1 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.6 apg in 19.0 minutes Shane Battier 6-8 SF from Duke 9.3 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.9 apg in 36.3 minutes Luther Head 6-3 PG / SG from Illinois 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 1.9 apg in 18.9 minutes Outgoing Players Michael Redd 6-6 SG from Ohio State 22.6 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 3.4 apg in 37.5 minutes
NO to Michael Redd, even though I wouldn't mind him here and would like him to be part of the team. Look at his contract. Its GIGANTIC! I seriously don't think Michael Redd is worth what he is being paid. He even gets paid more than Yao Ming, and we all know how good the 7 time All Star is. Get Maggette!!! The LATEST rumors are that he is expected to Opt-out. We must throw all our strength at getting him into the team. And he can be had probably for about half the salary of Redd.
There are legit points for and against, and your other ones are okay, but this right here makes no sense. That was 5 years ago. Dude shot 44% from 3pt land that year...but really this has no relevance. It's like the last thing any GM would even think about when debating whether or not Redd should be traded for.
The way I see it, Battier is at his highest value, Redd is pretty low. Make the trade, try it out for the remainder of the Yao-McGrady experiment and if it doesnt work, you can rebuild in 3 years. I love battier, but Im not convinced this group can get it done.
It's relevent to me, 5 years ago Redd was on a better team than he is now, shooting a better percentage than he is now and went no where. My point is that as good as Redd is, he's never played for a winner...not that Houston is a winner, we obviously aren't. We don't know what happens when the pressure is on, look at Ray Allen right now, he's not playing well when it counts and he played on that same Bucks team. Are you going to take a chance at 15 million for a third wheel that may not come through when playoff pressure comes? Redd is high risk, high reward. I just can't see paying 15 million plus for a third scorer that can be had for a lot less money.
