Red Sox - Yankees

Well, I don't think the Sox or Pedro wants to go on 3 days rest. If Boston wins tomorrow, I would not be surprised to see Burkett or Suppan pitch Game 6. It could actually work out okay because you know that Burkett will feel that he has a lot to prove in getting that start.

Now if Lowe loses tomorrow, then no question, you have to go with Pedro in Game 6 followed by Wakefield in Game 7.

Too bad that Kim is hurt because I would rather see him start before Burkett or Suppan.

 

Here's a police report on the incident.

 

I was reading ESPN's website earlier and I came across this garbage:


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BOSTON -- Another night in the AL Championship Series, another to-the-death struggle between the Yankees and Red Sox. Is there any doubt these two teams are headed for Game 7?

Emotions spilled over in the bullpen -- as well as the phone lines.

If the apocalypse does occur Thursday night in the Bronx, the entire baseball world will be watching -- including two ex-Yankees who are openly rooting for the demise of Red Sox Nation.

To Goose Gossage and Graig Nettles, hating the Sox is just as easy today as it was in 1978.

"I was watching (Game 3) lying in my bed, and when (Manny) Ramirez starts walking to the mound with a bat in his hand, I jumped up and started screaming at the TV set, 'Kill that (expletive),' " Gossage said.

The former closer was practically shouting into his cell phone Monday afternoon, driving near his home in Colorado Springs. He was shouting not because of the long-distance connection, but because he equates Ramirez with Carlton Fisk, and considers Pedro Martinez a latter-day Bill Lee.

In other words, they are the enemy. Still.

Watching Martinez's fourth-inning fastball sail near Karim Garcia's head and seeing Ramirez threaten Roger Clemens with a bat was, for Gossage and Nettles, an invitation to a '70s time tunnel. Just mention Ramirez and Martinez, and you're back to an era when on-the-record quotes were unfiltered, and the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry wasn't just real; it was its own Northeast-corridor religion.

"Manny Ramirez is a (coward). I hope he reads that," Gossage said Monday. "If he pulled that stuff in the old days, he would've gotten back in the box and I guarantee you he would've had the next pitch in his earlobe. The guy is a one-dimensional player. He can hit -- a little. But he can't even hit when it counts."

Nettles' opinion of Ramirez is just as bleak.

"He's a dog," the former third baseman said by telephone from Knoxville, Tenn. "He does nothing but loaf. Ramirez loafs on the bases, in the field. He loafs all the time. For all the money he makes, he should buy a book about how the game is played.

"To be honest, I hope the Yankees kill the Red Sox, embarrass them, 18-0. I hope I never have to watch Ramirez play again. That's what a dog he is."

Gossage and Nettles have plenty of venom for Martinez, who they're convinced deliberately tried to bean Garcia. When Martinez went one step further -- taunting the Yankees dugout, pointing at his temple while apparently threatening Jorge Posada -- Gossage lost whatever respect he says he once had for Martinez.

"That skinny little (expletive)," the Goose said loudly. "There's no question he threw right at Garcia's head. That's totally gutless. It's too bad he doesn't have to hit, because I guarantee you he wouldn't be throwing at hitters like that."

Even more outrageous, the two elder Yankees said, was the fact that Martinez went unpunished during the ensuing bench-clearing incident. Although Nettles excused Martinez for flinging Don Zimmer to the ground -- "I don't blame him for that, it was like, 'Get away from me,' " he said -- both men were disappointed the Yankees didn't seek out the Red Sox ace during the brawl.

"We would've chased Pedro right into the stands," Nettles said. "There's no way we would've been milling around like that. Garcia should've been the first one to go after Pedro. That's how you know the game has changed today. There's no way you let a 72-year-old man do your dirty work for you."

"I can't believe no one in the bullpen went after Martinez," Gossage said, agreeing with Nettles. "If it was me, I would've gone right for him. We would've finished it right there."

Goose took particular issue with Ramirez's behavior after a high fastball from Clemens. Indeed, the Rocket said in a postgame interview, "Somewhere Goose and Gator (Ron Guidry) must be smiling," because after all the pushing and shoving, the Yankees exacted their revenge by winning the game.

But Gossage noted that, in his era, the Bombers' score-settling would've been far more direct, if not violent

"You want to bring a bat to the mound? Let him try," Gossage said. "Ramirez might've gotten one of us (pitchers), but he wouldn't have gotten all 10. You wouldn't have seen him the rest of the series, I promise you, because we would've put him in the hospital.

"I saw what he did (in Game 5 of the ALDS against Oakland), pointing into the dugout after he hit a home run. Someone should've put him right on his butt for that. That made me sick. He hardly ever hits when it counts, and he has the (guts) to do that? Give me a break."

In fairness to the Red Sox, Gossage praised Jason Varitek, whom he called, "a real hard-nosed ballplayer, someone who could've played on our teams, for sure." But his benevolence didn't go much further than that.

In Goose's eyes, Ramirez -- and even Sammy Sosa -- represent all that is wrong about today's hitter: vain and hyper-sensitive, overreacting to the slightest provocation, real or imagined.

With obvious scorn, Gossage said the pitch Ramirez reacted to "would've been a strike if it was a little lower. He got mad over nothing. (Hitters) want it all their way, and they're getting it because it's the pitchers who are afraid. They're all the same: Ramirez, Sosa. They're all (cowards)."

Gossage went for another five minutes, casting a wide net over the modern-day player. Still, he returned to the core issue -- the Yankees-Red Sox war. Fenway will be loud and hostile for tonight's Game 5, but Gossage insists there are facts of life that never change, even after a quarter-century.

"They think they can intimidate the Yankees?" Gossage said. "(Bleep) them. No one can do that."

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What a friggin' joke. Several things:

First of all, these geezers are entitled to their opinion (thanks to the 1st Amendment), but it sure is easy to talk all tough when you are not playing anymore, isn't it, Goose and Graig?

Second of all, of all the decades for the Yankees if you start with the '20s, only the 1980's were worse for the Yankees than the '70s. The Yankees made 3 straight World Series and won the 1977 and 1978 Series. The way these guys talk, they make it out that they accomplished a lot more than the current Yankees have. Yea, right. I didn't see the '70s Yankees make 9 straight playoff appearances; I just saw 3.

Third of all, Nettles is a f*cking cheater, so he is really a good source to talk about today's players. He got caught red-handed in a game with superballs in his bat and got his ass suspended like a week. He will be lucky if the Veterans Committee takes pity on his ass and elects his sorry ass to the Hall of Fame (and you can tell him I said that ). Gossage will probably make it but there are several relievers that were better than him that I don't think are in at this time (I quit keeping up with the HoF members for baseball several years ago so maybe Rollie Fingers, Bruce Sutter, Dennis Eckersley, etc are in but I have my doubts).

Fourth of all, Gossage says that there is no way to intimidate the Yankees? LOL, so he and Nettles have taken it upon themselves to try to "inspire" this current Yankees team to beat Boston by providing bulletin board type material. Hmm, if I was naive and didn't know how to "read between the lines", I would take these comments as ones from people who are scared. Geez, your team has won so many WS titles, it would take until like 2015 for the next closest to catch you AND that is if they won it every year for like 12 years. These New Yorkers cannot stand to see their team lose to Boston. Reminds me of Marie Antoinette - they want to have their cake and eat it too.

 

Sounds identical to Boston-fan. I've yet to meet a Bostonian that could stand losing to New York.

I do agree that Gossage and Nettles need to let it go. You do to Manny.

 

Is that with superballs inside your bat, Graig? Is that how the game is played?

 

Is game 5 not televised?

I can't find it anywhere.

 

Its on regular ol' FOX

 

well anytime someone starts saying "in my day" or "in our era" you can pretty much bet some bull****'s gonna come out of their mouth. and goose doesn't disappoint. most of his rant was just ignorant and juvenile. manny hits a little, he doesn't hit when it counts. didn't he hit the 3 run homer to beat the A's and wasn't he 6-13 in this series at one point? oh and i'm sure they would've put pedro in the hospital. baseball players, especially pitchers, didn't have any muscles back then to actually put anyone in the hospital. but aside from all that, here's the classic thing from the whole interview:

beautiful.

 

thanks, Nomar!

nice pitching tonight , Lowe!


shoulda called it in six.


Manny, what's your call, are we going to game seven or not? i know you're pick, but will it go all the way?

please don't shout at me.







things getting exciting, Boston has a man on third, down 4-1, bottom of the eighth.

 

nomar, you need to learn the proper art of trashtalk. a prediction is a prediction. i predicted you would eat your words, i predicted that the Yanks will win.

and I am the ******* here?


i am for an exciting series, no more, no less, this is baseball history in the making.



1918.

 

Ramirez looked awful in that at bat. *cringe*

 

Sit down Manny, you punk, big baby

 

Yankees WIN!

by the way, the yankees have FOUR ACES, and Pettitte will bring us a win, GUARANTEED!


1918.

 

poor Nomar. lay off him guys. he's a little sensitive today.

 

AHHHH!!!!!

Nothing like an ice cold martini!

And the Sox losing!

 

The way you guaranteed a 5 game series win, I'll go ahead and put my money on the Red Sox in the next Pettitte game.

 

Just for fun, I'll take you up on that for a beer.

 

Let's go Yankees!!!!!!!!

 

I missed the game yesterday, but saw the highlights.

Here are my thoughts:

Boston, you have blown it, plain and simple. David "******" Wells is a guy that you have hit well in the past and have hit hard. You had Derek Lowe, a guy that has pitched well in your own park. You had a record-setting offense that eclipsed marks that were set by a team that many feel is the greatest ever in the '27 Yankees. And what do you do? You lose and put yourself in an almost impossible situation.

For the Sox to have only scored a total of 32 runs in 10 postseason games is an incredible stat to me. Hell, they scored 25 in one freaking game this season against, of all teams, the Marlins. Bill Mueller who just won a f*cking batting title this year is batting around Heidi Klum's weight and David Ortiz, except for 2 brief moments this postseason, might has well have been in Minnesota right now because he has not really shown up. Millar has been the master of the fielder's choice/GIDP, and don't even get me started on Garciaparra and how much he has sucked.

The bottom line is that this team does not deserve to go to the World Series if they can't perform better at the plate than what they are doing. It boggles my mind that they could outscore the Yankees by over 20 runs in the season series, but all of the sudden when the pressure is on, their asses get so tight that you couldn't separate the cracks with a jackhammer.

So, now we have a great matchup today (being sarcastic here) in Andy Pettitte who has not only racked up win after win in the postseason but has always OWNED the Red Sox going against a freaking dinosaur in John Burkett who throws about as hard as Don Zimmer. If a miracle happens and Boston somehow wins today, then you have Pedro, who is obviously not 100% healthy, pitching against Clemens. And I for some insane reason, will burn 2 vacation hours so I can watch this crap. Why? I have no idea other than that I enjoy pain and suffering at my own expense.