My thinking as well - for Grossman to win the job based solely on his performance in a week 4 preseason game tells me that this is 95% percent about Orlovsky losing the job. I've been disappointed in how Orlovsky repeatedly had brain lock when his primary option was taken away. I knew his decision making wasn't going to be rapid, but I wasn't anticipating it to be so bad in those circumstances. We are absolutely screwed if Schaub goes down. Evan
You guys obviously haven't read Cat's posts. Schaub isn't injury prone. He just got hurt by a couple illegal cheap shots. If they were legal hits, he wouldn't have gotten injured, duh.
The mediocre quarterback market seems very saturated right now. Guys like AJ Feeley, Luke Mccown, Jeff Garcia seem like a dime a dozen.
Rex played really well in his last outing but as I recall he was horrible in his debut game. His decision making in that one series he played was piss poor. Orlovsky played in all PS games and he handled it well. If the coaching staff has Dan over Rex...I'm ok with it. Besides this is supposed to be Schaub's year to play out a full season.
Put your money where your mouth is, then. I'll bet anyone on this board $100 that Schaub starts at least 14 games. And since you're mocking my contention, are you arguing that the Jared Allen hit (which he was fined $50,000 for) was not illegal? Casual sports fan thinking: if something happens one year, the same thing will happen every subsequent year for the remainder of time, even if you have no logical reason for believing it to be so. So annoying, and people just don't learn. Sounds just a like a certain Yankees fan (former member of this board) I used to know, around the summer of 2004...
I hope you are right, but I do enjoy money so...I'll take the bet. I think there is even a marginal chance Schaub misses THIS start. It's not that I don't think the hits were bad or that Matt isn't a tough kid. But some guys just seem to be snakebit. OL should be much improved this year, anyway...hope I end up paying off this bet. Is it 14 games total or 14 regular season games? Cause obviously I am not gonna hope for anybody but Matt to start our first ever playoff game.
I'm not arguing that it wasn't illegal, I was mocking the "cheap shot" excuse. Players get hurt from LEGAL shots all the time, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it is more likely to result in an injury. I will do a $100 tipjar bet with you. He has to start 14 regular season games. If he comes off the bench it doesn't count. Playoffs don't count. If he starts but gets knocked out in the 1st quarter, it counts. I have season tickets, so I'm not rooting for him to get hurt, but at least this provides an emotional hedge. Straw man, no one has used that logic. The whole "people who disagree with me are unknowledgeable casual fans" schtick is getting old. Judging from this thread, I guess there are tons of dumb casual fans on this forum. I know one thing, I'm not drafting Schaub on my fantasy team.
Exactly. It was so annoying listening to Matt & Rich clowning on Schaub last week. Some caller made this lame joke about leaving the roof closed or the wind will injure Schaub. The 610 guys actually laughed at it. All I could do was grind my teeth. As far as the backup role is concerned, I'm going with Grossman. Orlovsky doesn't get enough zip on the ball imo. All he has to do is the manage the game and he is better at the HR ball to AJ. I like Orlovsky's height, but he just isn't ready.
Fixed! Schaub is a sleeper pick. I'm in a 8 team league and wanted him as my backup, but he was grabbed right before me. He should have a solid fantasy year. Mark Schlereth has him as a top 5 fantasy QB this year.
Um, that's exactly the reason most "cheap shots" are illegal -- because they're more likely to cause injury. Yes, you can get hurt from legal shots as well. However, rolling into a quarterback's legs (intentionally) after he's released the ball and assumes the play is over (thus isn't bracing himself) definitely makes it more likely to cause an injury. That's exactly why it's illegal - to protect the quarterbacks. Sure. One final clause, though, for you and Major: if the Texans effectively have their playoff spot locked up heading into Week 17 and the Texans rest Schaub (a lot of teams do that these days), then we treat it as though that game is irrelevant and see if he went 13 of 15. Basically, my argument is that he won't miss more than two games due to injury -- and I just want to make sure there isn't a loophole in case there's a non-injury circumstance. That cool? There are a lot of casual fans here, without a doubt. Especially for the Texans, seeing as how this is a Rockets-driven site. I'm not saying everyone predicting Schaub to miss at least three starts is a casual fan, but some of them, if you take a look at their post history, well... And get over the straw man stuff. No, of course no one is going to spell out on paper that that is how they look at things, because it sounds bad. But that general line of thinking is what guides a lot of fans' opinions. You get there through interpretation and analysis. While not all fans are this way, the majority of casual fans (all sports) seem to share one related flaw, and it's the belief/desire that everything can be controlled. Unless it affects their team (and many times, not even then), take a look at any thread on this board (or others) criticizing officiating. For the most part, the responses will dismiss the complaints as "whiners", and instead point out a few other things the team could've done differently to win, in spite of the officiating. While there might be some truth there, it doesn't change the fact that bad luck negatively impacted the team's chance to win the game. It's the same principle here. Sure, it's possible to be injured without an illegal hit. Sure, it's possible to gain strength. But by and large, missing four games due to a viciously illegal hit is simply terrible luck, and casual fans hate admitting that random luck (especially in a small sample size) is a big part of sports. People want to have a simple answer, but unfortunately, sometimes those aren't there. Anyway, assuming you're good with the above clause, we're good for the bet.
Do you have any information that I don't? If you're talking about the ankle, he came back and played great in the same game without even missing a snap! It was just a simple slight turn of the ankle -- something athletes have happen hundreds of times throughout their careers. He didn't play Friday, but as Kubiak said, he was never going to play Friday, even if he was 100% perfect. He kept on playing the night of the injury and is taking his normal reps in practice. Trust me, he's completely fine, unless he comes down with the swine flu or something ridiculous. And yeah, 14 regular season games. Unless they're resting starters for non-injury reasons in the season finale, in which case, 13. Cool?
Well he did come down with the sniffles or whatever that was on that Rosencopter game...( yeah yeah he had to go to the emergency room the night before, was pronounced dead etc etc.) So a few fans think Schaub is brittle, big deal. No one is accusing Schaub of having YaoTmac-itis, but color me one of those casual fans that needs to see to believe that Schaub can stay on the field this year. If he does and our secondary doesn't get exposed too much, then IMO we will be contending for the AFC South title and hopefully a deep playoff run.
But there are a lot of hits that are legal and knock QBs out, and there are a lot of illegal hits that don't come close to hurting anybody. For example, a late shove when someone is out of bounds isn't likely to cause injury, but it is illegal. That's my point, but if they were ridculously vicious hits, fine, he shouldn't be judged. That's cool. We'll just have to make sure they are truly resting him and not keeping him out because of an injury. There are those fans, but I don't think that's what's happening here. There are also the casual fans who think Schaub is the besest evar because he plays for Houston. The fact is lots of knowledgeable people are concerned that Schaub is injury prone. Anyways, I am cool with that bet.
Not sure how much of a concern this is, but there it is. CBSsports reported the same thing. http://www2.timesdispatch.com/rtd/s...otball/article/NFLN09_20090908-215204/291474/ Schaub returns; status for opener is uncertain HOUSTON - Houston quarterback Matt Schaub returned to practice yesterday, though it's not clear whether he will start against the New York Jets in this Sunday's season opener. The former Virginia star took half the snaps in practice, his first significant work since he suffered an ankle sprain Aug. 31 against the Vikings. He is listed as day to day. Coach Gary Kubiak stopped short of saying Schaub, who has missed five games in each of the past two seasons with injuries, would start against the Jets
If the Texans rest a healthy (read not on the weekly injury report) Schaub week 17..that one doesn't count and its 13 of 15 is good for me. Hope you win this one my feline friend.
I wanted Grossman as backup before the last preseason game because Orlovsky was that terrible. At that point we only seen Grossman throw 1 pass in the preseason and I figured he couldn't be any worse that Orlaovsky.
