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Reason why we lost Last 2 games so Horribly

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by nycundaground, Dec 11, 2007.

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  1. denniscd

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    listen...this reminds me of the time when ewing had difficulty adjusting from riley to don nelson...there is growing pains that comes with change...but everyone has to buy in or get out...cant have it both ways you know
     
  2. JeopardE

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    Just saying ....

    Code:
    Player      On          Off         Net
    [b]Alston      +4.3        -3.3        +7.6[/b]
    James       -3.1        +4.1        -7.2
    Francis     +0.3        +1.2        -0.9
    McGrady     +0.7        +1.6        -0.9
    Yao         -0.1        +4.5        -4.5
    
    And just for the fun of it...
    Head        +3.5        +0.3        +3.2
    Scola       +4.0        -1.1        +5.1
    
    This team as it is cannot afford to not have Rafer out there on the floor, period. Say what you want about him, but until they trade/sign a superior option, Rafer Alston is the best point guard on this team and his presence on the court makes things go well. As much as his career FG% does not lie, his career +/- stats with the Rockets don't lie either. It's always been like this.
     
  3. Angkor Wat

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    If the reason we played this bad because Skip was not playing, then Skip is officially the best and most important player on our team. Forget Yao and T-Mac, we can't win nothing without Skip t the point.
     
  4. Clutch

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    Scary, but that's a good comparison (though not good for Adelman). Nelson tried to convert a defensive, center-based team into one more offense-oriented. Ironically, the players wanted Nelson out and Van Gundy in (in this case, it's "back" in).

    According to Nelson though, he says he suggested to Garden execs that they trade Ewing for Shaq ... after that he was gone. <a href="http://select.nytimes.com/2007/03/02/sports/basketball/02araton.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin" target="_blank">From the NY Times</a>:

     
  5. igotask8board

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    You guys are f***ing blind if you think Rafer has nothing to do with it. Rafer has everything to do with it.

    Remember that NOH game last year where Alston stuck up for T-Mac to Mason and was ejected.

    1-up
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Rafer is a T-Mac Guy
    T-mac plays better with T-Mac guys
    Rafer, Hayes, Battiers

    Anyone that just doesn't cowtow at his feet. . . he seems to change his whole demeanor

    SF, MJames, Scola, bonzi

    T-mac is mentally week. He is basically throwing SF under the bus at every opportunity to try and keep his b*tch Rafer around

    He learned one thing from JVG
    How to play the Media
    that Woe is me crap while throwing someone else under the bus

    STEVE IS GREAT . . but he not in game shape and he ain't rafer . . . I know rafer cannot shoot or nothing but . . .he is better for this team - T-mac in his interview

    Rocket River
     
  7. ikfit

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    I have to say I feel it is Tmac. And I worry about Tmac and Yao's relationship.

    Look at the game, how many times Yao go out to do things for Tmac But Tmac sames don't trust to pass the ball to Yao (maybe he worry about the TO). So our PnR is just P left.

    I don't think it is yao's problem, he cares, but Tmac, I didn't see it.

    Who should call team out to meeting? If yao do that, maybe Tmac don't like it, So I prefer Tmac to do that or even Battier.
     
  8. intergalactic

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    We need to make a PG trade badly. Hinrich for Battier plus whatever else we need to throw in. Hinrich is a true 1, who despite his current woes, is a better shooter than Rafer. He's also big enough to cover most shooting guards and can take the place of Battier as defensive stopper.

    How about:
    Hinrich + Sefolosha for
    Battier + Wells (and Rafer if we can get them to take him).

    Not a risk-free trade for either team, but worth the gamble.
     
  9. YallMean

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    Like I said again and again, this is not just two games. The trend started after the Suns game, after Francis joined the lineup. We have a chemistry problem. Not everybody on the same page. This is the Minny episode happening right here in Houston. If Rafer is the only link to quell this mess, then this team is not a contender, not even a wanna be.
     
  10. YallMean

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    doubt bulls would do this. This is not making them better, if not worse. No they wont do it.
     
  11. YallMean

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    Well said.
     
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    i would have to agree here...without rafer tmac kinda looses his role as attacker from the offensive plays that Rick Adelman has draw up...and then the bench is a lot shorter b/c MJ isn't a true point and neither is head, but then STEVE FRANCIS IS STILL TRYING TO GET WARMER UP WHICH MAKES ME QUESTION WHY DID ADELMAN SIT HIM FOR FIRST 10 ODD GAMES
     
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    I'm aggree with you. Rafer is clearly the best PG in the roster. James can put some points on the board but that's all. SF3 plays horrible as a PG. :rolleyes:
     
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    i finally got why rockets suck so much. when they are on offense it looks like they dont know what they doing. rox dont play any D to start with and you could say well they started the season 6-1 thats because earlly season equals fresh legs and alot questions that will get answerd latter in the season. our question has been answerd. we need van gundy back.


    Fire RA :mad:
     
  15. TheFreak

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    Well some people here think the Rockets need Steve Francis to win, and he's clearly not even as good as Rafer Alston.
     
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    Words of wisdom. The Rockets were little kids under JVG's tight leash, now the leash is gone and they don't know what to do. Little kids can't win against grown men in the playoffs. We tend to play worse and worse in a playoffs series - the weak mentality gets worn down by the manly will of our opponents. Now it seems that weak mentality isn't just JVG's fault, it also has to do from the floor leaders, their ambition, their personalities, their game styles, JVG's just part of the weak mentality problem.

    Expose the problem and fix it, skipping this step is only another step towards a playoffs pretender.
     
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    What I don't understand is how fans (and the media) can overlook the fact that the starting five have been together for so long. Think of how many games and practices they've played together so far. To top it off, what role is Alston playing in all of this? THE POINT GUARD! He's the floor captain, calling the plays, running the offense, setting the tempo, etc. etc. etc.. So then, when he is out for two games, and everything looks out of sync, and everyone looks horrible, people somehow dismiss Alston's importance and I'm just like WTF? The fact that Alston was out of the lineup was not even mentioned by Feigen in the loss.
    weird.
     
  18. Doctor Robert

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    I agree 100% with the fact Rafer would probably improve the team's performance. We also know that Rafer at the point is a dead end, so what is the point?

    Unfortunately, I wasn't able to watch the first 15 or so games this year, but now I've been able to watch a few. The team looks pretty similar to what I saw last year. My interpretation of the current situation is that the Rockets are moving from a control freak coach to a coach that will let the players hang themselves. Look at what has happened recently:

    -Steve Francis (who I think will help in the end) has been completely exposed as out of shape and partially unmotivated.
    -Yao (rather than JVG) has turned into a vocal motivator. A little more, and he may end up a vocal leader.
    -McGrady has already embarassed himself by quitting on the team yesterday. Maybe it will have some lasting effect.
    -Adelman won't force the players to put forth effort like JVG demanded. It is going to have to come from the players themselves. Hopefully the players will respond with effort.

    My advice to Adelman... keep Rafer on the bench and keep giving them rope.
     
  19. Red Star

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    To be honest~, I really miss JVG so much...We won't lost like this last season.
     
  20. heavy

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    I don't agree that having Alston at the point is a dead end. Having no bench whatsoever is a dead end. Hopefully, the latter will be remedied by the time we reach the playoffs. Which we will.
     

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