Guys on bad teams who might possibly be had: Jose Calderon Pablo Prigioni MCW Nate Robinson George Hill Rodney Stuckey Jarrett Jack Deron Williams Mario Chalmers Mo Williams Ty Lawson Of those, personally I would only really want Ty Lawson.
I remember Lawson posting that thing about Harden's defense during the offseason. I know it's not that big of a deal or anything maybe he was just messing around but I hope it doesn't affect our chances of getting him
And James clearly remembered that, because James was jawing with him and going at him when we played Denver and Lawson was giving it right back to him. But I think that's a good thing; I want guys on my team who don't back down. I have no doubt they could quickly get over that crap. I mean, let's not forget the bombs Nick Johnson dropped on Harden via Twitter. That was way worse than the one meme Ty Lawson posted.
When Morey will ink Bev to a 3 years deal this summer, I am interested to see how many posters in here will ragequit.
The issue is on you, lower your expectation and you should never have this issue. We used a dead body to trade for this guy. So basically he is just a waste management fee we are paying to the 76ers, the freaking 76ers.
Why don't you just respond to me instead of passive aggressively trying to throw jabs. FYI... I DID WANT to upgrade the 4 spot last year. I always said that if a Paul Millsap or any major upgrade was available Morey should jump on it, and I also thought Jones would be great in a "first big off the bench" roll. What you are mistaking for "slobbering" is people correcting you when you crapped all over him in the first week of the season, and led a campaign to smear his name with your feces. Also.... wanting an upgrade, and advocating for Derrick Williams and Jason Smith over Jones are two different things. .......... I and I'm sure alot of people feel the same way about Pat Beverley. He should be upgraded IF THERE IS A REAL MAJOR UPGRADE available. Morey should NOT make a move unless its a legit upgrade. And No ..... Wicky Wubio is NOT a major upgrade. He has some talent that he brings, but on this team, I don't see the positive impact. If anything I see the opposite with taking the ball out of Harden's hands for a sub part player. This is exactly the type of thing people argue with you time and time again to no success. If someone says they'd rather keep Beverley instead of Rubio because Rubio isn't that good, they are a Beverley Only Fan to you. You get so hung up on random bad players on other teams because you want to say that you are some all-knowing prophet when, and if they turn it around on another team or over time. So Everyone in your F-ed up equations are wrong but you all of the time. Just because people don't believe your prophecies about certain random bad players actually being good players, doesn't mean their thought process is not aligned with the same desired end result.... which is to upgrade if its a REAL upgrade that makes the team better. Same Shtick, different random bad player every day with you. So address me directly if you have a point you want to try and make at my expense.
I think MCW is the most realistic... And I think he can perform way better on a good team. NO pick/papa/Canaan get it done. I know his shot is bad but beverly improved his over time. It's Bev's defense that is killing us and at 6-6 I think MCW will rise to the challenge
QFT. I definitely recall watching Bev answer questions about whether he scouted opponents last season. He arrogantly admitted that he didn't... as if to say, "I'm just a lockdown defender, y'all... doesn't matter who it is!" I remember smiling and thinking: C'mon Bev, that's silly to say... this is the NBA, dude. You gotta gain every edge you can, both on and off the court. Perhaps his head was getting a little big. Winning 2nd team All-Defense likely didn't help matters. 3 things to consider with Bev (coming from a diehard Bev fan): 1) Knee injury has clearly limited his on-the-ball, defensive quickness -- especially laterally. His intensity is still there, but he just can't consistently stay in front of quicker PGs. 2) Contract year. Bev has become more ball dominant as of late. He's forcing his offense by going ISO, breaking down defenders, penetrating and finishing with floaters or layups. Sometimes this works, other times it results in steals, blocked shots, or poor passes. The point is that Bev, as our 4th/5th option, has begun to take it upon himself to CREATE offense -- instead of just playing within the offense generated by Harden, DMo and Dwight. 3) BBIQ. This one hurts to say because I love me some Wolverine. But the truth is he hasn't yet learned to pick his spots. There are times when Bev doesn't see that officials are calling a tight game. His aggression gets the best of him, and silly fouls are committed far away from the basket. His court vision is also lacking, resulting in poor decision making on offense. And, as this poster correctly pointed out, Bev lacks mental preparation by refusing to watch film on other, lesser known PGs. Why always play up tight on the perimeter? Why always go over the top of picks? Some players are <30% 3pt shooters and ALWAYS penetrate going right (see Elfrid Payton). I'll always appreciate Bev for his passion, grit and determination. His 3-pt shooting has seriously improved. I hope his knee strength and defensive burst returns, and he goes back to being efficient BOTH defensively and offensively. As for this season, we need a legit, playmaking (2-way) PG to have any realistic notions of winning a title. Having Bev bounce off the bench (in a reserve defensive specialist role) would solidify our championship rotation with ridiculous depth.
Anyone interested in Tony Wroten as our one? He is much cheaper than MCW, and seemed more efficient. (I don't have numbers to actually back that up. No flame please)
No way on Earth is MCW alone worth NO Pick/Papa/Canaan (if you were offering all of the above), especially not with his bad shooting (that you already mentioned). With the moves that have been made and the way our roster is assembled, I don't believe this would help us out.
I like Beverly also but Beverly can't even make break away layups. He would be great coming off the Bench
Here is a link with all the Guards in the NBA w/ at Least 5 assist / game 40% FG shooting 35% 3P shooting Sorted by +/- >>>>>>League Player Stats<<<<<<
I guess if all else fails, trading for Mo Williams at the deadline might not be the worst idea in the world. You could probably get him for a 2nd rounder. Rights to Llull maybe? Of course this is "IF All Else Fails".
If the Kings get serious about Deron Williams and the Nets want to blow things up (with their impending sale) I wonder if the Rockets could get involved in a 3-way that netted the Rockets PG Darren Collison.
It would be something that would look like this: BKN-HOU-SAC 3-way trade Brooklyn in: Derrick Williams, Jason Terry, Kostas Papanikolaou Houston in: Carl Landry, Darren Collison Sacramento in: Deron Williams, Markel Brown, Cory Jefferson
I was happy to find that the reason Canaan went down to RVG was because of his ankle injury. Prior to that happening as a starter when Bev was out he did really well. Some may say he is not the answer but its not every day you have Chris Paul heap praise on a young PG. After watching him in summer league and then seeing him start during Bev's injury and reading what CP3 said, he may need more seasoning as far as play making and defense but I think he needs to be considered as an option for PG especially if we don't pull off a trade and considering how we run so much of our offense through James. You can't have a bad shooter at the 1 with James Handling the ball and we know Canaan can shoot. That said, I like all the players you mentioned. Reggie Jackson could be an option because of the Waiters trade. Now they are crowded in OKC. For Backup C, The man I want is Brandan Wright but Ainge is so stingy. I was thinking about Dalembert but the word is that he has really fallen off. Its wishful thinking but if this young guy Clint Capela is turning it on at RVG I wouldn't be opposed to sending him out there to backup Dwight. Throw him in the fire and see what he can do. He just needs to rebound, block shots, and defend the inbound pass. Thats it. You never know, the solutions might already be on our team...
