1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Realignment] Astros to the AL?

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Preston27, Jun 11, 2011.

  1. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204
    Exactly.

    There's been an uneven amount of teams between the AL and NL for the majority of the last 40 years. They moved the Brewers 13 years ago to avoid 15-15 leagues because there was no interleague.

    Now they want interleague to be a permanent fixture for every series for the season? That's a huge can of worms, both rules and scheduling wise.
     
  2. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    I wonder if the media floated this air biscuit just to see what fan response would be.
     
  3. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    that's the most ridiculous part.

    they intentionally moved the brewers to the NL to AVOID exactly what they're talking about potentially asking the Astros to move to the AL to create.
     
  4. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204
    Yep... and actually, I made a mistake in my previous post.

    Interleague WAS around in 1998 (started in 1997), so theoretically, they may have already considered this plan back then (15-15) and decided that it was too much of a risk on a gimmick.

    I still see it as a gimmick, so I don't know what difference it would make now. Also, the Brewers (Selig) may have though that remaining in a division with the Yankees and Red Sox may not be the best thing for his team long-term... ironic how he picked the WORST division in baseball at the time (the 1997 comedy central) to move his team into, capitilizing on the always popular Cubs/Cardinals.

    But this point needs top be brought up every single time a sportswriter or union official claims that "we HAVE to have balance.... its just not fair..." Where was that outcry 13 years ago, or every year since? Why now? Nobody gives a rats ass about the NL central or AL west anyways, now they risk changing the game forever (along with potentially ailienating a long-time NL city) to try and bring an illusion of "balance"?
     
    #224 Nick, Jul 20, 2011
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2011
  5. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    If they're so big into "balance", can we finally see the Braves and Dodgers more than 6 times a year and the freaking Brewers and Pirates less than 18? *hate* the "unbalanced" schedule.
     
  6. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204
    Hmm... that would also fix the argument that the Rangers neeed more central time zone games, thus the Astros should move. Also, fixes the argument of why not to move the Astros to the NL West (too many night games).

    Balanced schedules actually provide more balance than realignment does... hmm. (of course, it then makes divisions meaningless).
     
  7. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    It doesn't make divisions meaningless. The way the NBA does it--*that* makes divisions nearly meaningless. Besides that, you don't have to completely balance the schedule, just something less wack. Do you realize that 56% of our games are played against only 5 teams? That's just wack.
     
  8. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204

    If everybody plays the same schedule per league, divisions ARE meaningless. I guess you just want it less unbalanced... which is fine.

    However, they would likely have a hard time figuring out a more balanced schedule if they have an interleague matchup every week. Who plays who? Do they rotate divisions every year? Does every team in each division play every other team? Do they still do the regional rivalries separately every year?
     
  9. MadMax

    MadMax Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 1999
    Messages:
    76,683
    Likes Received:
    25,924
    do they sacrifice the Mets/Yanks annual matchup so the Rangers and 'stros can share a division? methinks not.
     
  10. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204
    Well, since they have to have a single interleague matchup every series, it gives them room to add on MORE of those regional games.

    Do the teams with regional rivalries end up playing 3 or 4 series against their respective team instead of just 2? We all know that the only way interleague survives is because of the big crowds those series brings in. Now that they can have it year-round, it gives them more possibility for abuse/overscheduling of those games.
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,645
    Who would the Astros' interleague rival be?
     
  12. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204
    The Cardinals, Cubs, Reds, Brewers, and Pirates.

    Gag me...:rolleyes:
     
  13. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    Nick, I disagree completely. Divisions would NOT be meaningless. For just one example, if the top two teams in a division finish at 93-69 and 6-6 head-to-head, the next tiebreaker is division record. You're right that just less imbalance would be fine by me, but I don't agree with your assessment that balanced schedule=meaningless divisions. Again, for truly meaningless divisions see the NBA. And even there, the division still has at least a little meaning.
     
  14. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,816
    Likes Received:
    17,204
    If every team in the league (national or american) plays the exact same schedule, why would divisions matter?

    That's the issue the NBA has... where "division rivals" are merely that in name only. They don't play each other more times than not. The Rockets are "rivals" with the Lakers just as much as they are with the Spurs or Mavs.

    And if they're going to use "division record" as a tiebreaking rule, I would presume they better have more games within the division than out of the division... otherwise they can simply use league/conference record.
     
  15. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    but that's just an arbitrary requirement you're putting in place. whoever gets to advance out of the division needs to have won the most within the division--even if you play your division rivals fewer times than the rest of the league! (of course I'm not suggesting that would be a good idea) The division games mean more, regardless of the quantity of them.
     
  16. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    And the issue the NBA has is more that an entire freaking division can make the playoffs. Their divisions are small, and 8 teams per conference get into the postseason. As a result, only the conference really matters.

    In an MLB with a balanced schedule and only four playoff teams per league, your division is still pretty important, because you generally have to win it to advance.
     
  17. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,527
    Likes Received:
    5,528
    The Brewers were in the AL Central, which was won in '97 by a team with two more wins than the Astros, FYI.
     
  18. msn

    msn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2002
    Messages:
    11,726
    Likes Received:
    2,094
    yeah, but in the 90s the AL Central generally had a very strong Indians team, iirc. And the White Sox were decent (iirc).
     
  19. BrooksBall

    BrooksBall Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2007
    Messages:
    20,568
    Likes Received:
    256
    To say the least... they were beasts for many years... with no WS win to show for it. Painfully close but close don't count.
     
  20. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,527
    Likes Received:
    5,528
    That having been posted, the Brewers still didn't share a division with the Yankees or Red Sox at the time. A move from one Central to the other was, all things being relative, a natural move, not a "We fear the Yankees/Red Sox" decision.
     

Share This Page