[realgm.com]If Cavs Match Varejao, Gooden Will Be Traded?

You must be joking. It's COMPLETELY MEANINGLESS to cite Juwan's CAREER numbers. He's obviously not the player he once was. He used to be an all-star caliber player. You have to look at the numbers for Juwan when he was with us. Let's see...

Both players' stats in the last 3 seasons:
_______MPG___PPG___RPG___BPG
Juwan:
_______26.6___9.6___5.7____0.1
_______31.7___11.8__6.7____0.1
_______26.5___9.7___5.9____0.1

Gooden:
_______30.8___14.4__9.2____0.9
_______27.5___10.7__8.4____0.6
_______28.0___11.1__8.5____0.4

Yeah, exact same player. Except for the part where Gooden is a WAY better rebounder, and that he actually blocks a shot occasionally.

 

it would have to be rafer and some cap relief (span,sura) for gooden i would speculate. lucas makes too little to make the trade possible as the major trade piece. heck if the cavs would want lucas than thats fine too. of course it would mean having to take on damon jones' nasty contract if that is the case i say forget it that guy is completely worthless and full of himself

 

one thing i saw from a bit of the playoffs this year is that gooden is not a great rebounder but a decent one, but he is a good offensive rebounder, probably a better one than a defensive rebounder

 

Throw the statistics out the window. We don't need Drew to be a big time scorer,we need to him to fit into a new system and buy into what the team needs right now. He would be a good fit in what the team needs now,he can play pick and roll, he can hit the elbow jumper and you can use him with yao with to intiate the high post offense. Defensively he isn't that bad,defense will be played by committe and help.He also is one of the better offensive rebounders in the game. He is younger than juwan which would be his advantage right now.

 

Gooden and Jones for Alston, Spanoulis, and Sura works, according to RGM Trade Checker. Actually, Spanoulis and Sura for Gooden works, but I imagine Cleveland wants an upgrade somewhere else, especially at PG. I'd take the first trade (Gooden/Jones for Alston/Span/Sura), but it's not a slam dunk, since we'd lose our distributing point guard and be left with a bunch of combo guards at point.

 

Sura and Span would actually work straight up for Gooden. With that said, they would probably want to unload one of Marshall, Jones or Snow on us. I think Rafer would be swapped for one of those guys.

 

when did Rafer distribute?

 

You just kinda missed that he's averaged about 6 assists since he's been here? Typically only about 10 players in the league average 7+ assists in a season. Who do you want, Steve Nash?

 

You beat me to it. Thank you.

 

#1: Juwan played on a JVG team which immediately shaves 5ppg off. RPG also dropped when Juwan came here because there aren't as many possessions in JVG's offense. Look at TMac's ppg drop under JVG.

#2: Juwan also played with two all-stars taking away EVEN MORE possessions. Juwan outplayed Gooden when TMac and Yao were hurt.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't complain if we picked up Gooden. I'm just saying he's a marginal upgrade, at best, over Juwan. They are virtually identical players ...besides age (which is a huge plus for Gooden).

 

Juwan never finished at the rim anywhere near the way Gooden does/can. Having Gooden running the break next to you or Juwan (even at 25 years old) is night and day.

This team needs size and athleticism at the 4. Gooden is a hell of an athlete with some offensive skill to boot.

 

Even though Gooden is kind of a knucklehead, I've been enivisioning this scenario since the end of the season. He's 6-10, a good rebounder (8.5 rpg in only 28 mpg is pretty damn impressive), and he's got a decent post game. I think the Juwan Howard comparisons are fair. Gooden is a younger, more athletic Juwan. I'll take that any day.

Preferably, I would rather trade Head as the "talent asset" of our trade package (along with Sura and Spanoulis as the "cap relief assets") instead of losing Rafer. As some have stated, trading Alston would leave the Rockets with a bunch of shoot-first PGs (James, Brooks and Jones). Plus, Rafer has a very reasonable long-term deal (~$4M per). Guys who are inferior PGs to Rafer are getting more on the open market. Luther will be up for an extension in a couple of years, and I'd prefer not to have to break the bank for a one-dimensional guy like Head.

I'd do Head/Sura/Spanoulis/Lucas for Gooden/Jones.

Cleveland can dump everyone but Head for only $1.5M, gets rid of Jones's bad contract, and gets some room under the luxury tax to keep Varajeao and re-sign Pavlovic. The Rockets get their starting PF in Gooden and a fun-loving local product in Jones to play cheerleader for two years and maybe come in and hit the occasional 3-pointer. If Jones sucks that much, the team could even just buy him out.

Do it.

 

Rafer was 23rd in assists per game last year (5.4), not that impressive for a starting pg, especially on a team that is hoping to contend. It would bedifferent he was able to score to balance that out, but he cant do that at all. and he was 2nd on the team in apg.

 

A lot of that had to do with McGrady handling the ball a lot more than he did the year before.

 

Total shots for Cavs: 6,658.
Total shots for Cavs opponents: 6,337.
Cavs shot total: 12,995
Total shots for Rox: 6,528
Total shots for Rox oppenents: 6,503
Rox shot total: 13,031

There were more shots put up in Rockets games last year than there were in Cavs games. Not only that, but there were more MISSED shots last year in Rockets games. Which means Juwan should've had a slight edge in the opportunities he had for rebounds.

What's all this about taking away possessions? If he's playing with two all-stars, he should be getting more rebounding opportunities. Gooden STILL trounced him in that category. And why are you concerned AT ALL with a slight edge in scoring ability when we already have those two all stars, as well as Mike James? All we want out of our 4 is for him to rebound and hit jumpers. Gooden excels at both. Juwan can hit jumpers, but he can't rebound. How is that a "marginal" upgrade?

No, they're not virtually identical. Gooden is a FAR superior rebounder as well as shotblocker.

 

Next year he won't do that. Last yeay he was a playmaker cause he had to but now he wanna be himself, I mean scorer, so he'll play more off the ball ofense

 

This lineup is cool especially keeping Head and Battier, but the 1 would be extremely thin beyond MJ. Morey himself said that the team doesn't expect Brooks to contribute this upcoming season, and Head is a HORRIBLE pg (no handle, penetration, passing skills as a PG or defense. I'm assuming you left Damon Jones out at the PG who would have to be the #2 PG because of Brook's inexperience, and Head simply NOT being a 1 by any stretch. With Damon at the backup 1 this WOULD be a really good lineup though IMO

 

Nice run down and I stand corrected on a couple minor points. But I still wouldn't say Gooden is FAR superior esp. at shotblocking ...he's still <1 per game. To say Gooden is FAR superior implies that Gooden is good. <1 bpg as a PF is, well, YAWN.

Getting Gooden would be nice ...but on paper, I'm not excited. Maybe once he got here he just magically gels w/ Yao and TMac.

I don't know what happens in the city of Houston but good players always seem to come here and underacheive. So if Gooden did that, he'd turn into Juwan Howard.

 

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