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[REAL GM] Insider proposed Rockets deal

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bbllr3431, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. HTown_TMac

    HTown_TMac Member

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    umm no
     
  2. timelordtwo

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    I'd rather Ariza. He's a better three point shooter, and we should surround yao with plenty of that.
     
  3. ROXTXIA

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    Although I agree with you, Orlando has used the same formula, and, although they generally win, they don't win it all. If Howard is missing his free throws (which is usual) and the three-point shots aren't falling, they struggle.

    We're doing pretty good on the 3-point front in any case:

    Aaron Brooks.

    Kevin Martin.

    Chase Budinger.

    Shane Battier.

    (maybe, if he ever gets a chance to play, but not holding my breath) Jermaine Taylor
     
  4. xiki

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    Is there any (real) reason to be 'debating' the merits of this uh, rumor as tho it is a discussed by GMs idea?
     
  5. ASidd_1990

    ASidd_1990 Rookie

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    It's been a boring off-season, what do you expect?
     
  6. Da_Spark

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    Good Laaawd. No comment. I give up. You guys are too bored and desperate.
     
  7. jedicro

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    Rose is debateable. Brooks is a more efficient scorer. Rose averages half an assist and one rebound more. This is closer than most people think. If Rose develops an outside shot then yes, he'd be much better. Until then, its pretty close.

    Westbrook same story except Brooks is WAY more efficient scoring the ball. Westbrook does pass more, although that's by necessity since he's such an inefficient scorer. I'm looking forward to see what happens to Brooks assist totals once he's no longer required to be our featured scorer.

    To me Brooks is in that 2nd tier of PG's from 6-12. All of them have their strengths, but none are seperated by a huge margin. Either way, we can win with Brooks as our PG. He's good enough. Unless you're bringing in DWill or CP3 I would hesitate trading out Brooks with other assets. Ariza is far more upgradeable than is Brooks.
     
  8. meh

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    I guess I should've added the disclaimer that I was arguing against his general point of "let the owner spend whatever he wants" rather than the Rockets situation specifically. And just to be clear, I would welcome an Iggy trade.

    As for Les, I believe he'll pay the tax this year because Morey has continuously saved him tons of money through fiscal responsibility. Plus Morey has convinced Les that this is a necessary step to contending.

    But that's the thing. The deal that put us over the tax, the Jeffries trade, is a one-year deal. What if Morey fails and we become mediocrity in a couple of years? At that time, if we have a small payroll, we can simply rebuild. Whereas if we have a big one, we'd be like the freaking Knicks 2 years ago. Except Les is not Dolan, and won't actually keep a above-tax payroll for several years while the balance sheet is red.
     
  9. Scarface281

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    Um...

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    You were saying? Iguodala has always been the closer for Philly (end of quarters, halfs, and games).
     
  10. Da_Spark

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    Put Aaron Brooks in the Sixers lineup and he'd be the closer.
     
  11. Scarface281

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    Doesn't take away from the fact that Iggy is a closer. It's what most here like about his game. That he does take (and make) those big shots.
     
  12. Da_Spark

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    You also can't deny the fact that he can't shoot. Name one SG or SF that from Adelman's Sacramento or Portland's team in the past that wasn't a good shooter. Come on man we can't have a closer who doesn't have a consistent jumper. Trevor freakin Ariza shoots better than him for crying out loud and you want him to be our closer?!

    Sure he can create off the dribble...
    Iggy crosses over his defender, pulls up for a jumper...BRICK. Yao gets doubled, kicks it out to Iggy, shoots a three...CLANK!

    Then we're stuck with him and his yummy contract for the next several years wasting valuable assets.
     
  13. Bo6

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    I honestly do not believe Jordan Hill is that valuable. I can only see him being a 12/7 guy for his career.
     
  14. Houston_Rockets

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    These are the kind of posts that remind me that I am in a Rox forum

    I am the first guy to say, offensively, with Yao on the floor, and with Adelmans system, there is no need for a playmaking PG, a guy that can shoot and spread the floor is the ideal, and AB shooting the ball is probably the 2nd best PG, after Nash

    But this post is not about shooting, is about being a PG, you can´t resume a player by saying he can score, Imagine I am a center, and I average 25ppg, 3 rebs 0,5 blocks, can I be mentioned as one of the best Cs in the league??? No because being a C demands blocks, demands rebs, demands presence defensively, and do all the "little" things, it is not just scoring

    AB better then Rose and worst then Rondo???

    Rondo is a poor man Rose

    Collison is going to be a stud

    If players have one bad season it does not mean, they are worst then a player that had a better season, just saying...

    etc etc

    This is the problem of having GOD MOREY as a GM, people start pulling offensive stats out of there a.., and ignore what is the player´s game, what he does defensively, where is he at, what systems, what teammates....

    In the IGGy thread people saying that he is a great passer, just because he has the assists, lol, when we all know, if I pass to a guy that shoots immediately from half-court, and hits a buzzer beater, that counts as an assist, the same assist that Nash creates out of nothing, to give his teammate no option but to score

    And I can be great passer, but if my teammates suck, I can´t do nothing but cry

    Morey depends his player analysis in stats, but he, and his staff actually see video, and tries to imagine how his game would translate in the system that Adelman runs

    I don´t care if AB, Yao, Ariza, or anyone in this league, score 20 a night, if he can´t defend his man and let his guy drop 30

    I am as confident as anybody, to go to war with AB, he will improve his D, and he will continue to hit the 3 ball like a stud, but don´t over react to the fact that he scores 20 a game, the game of basketball is more then scoring, and I will give a simple example

    WHAT PLAYER IS MONTA ELLIS??? (and he actually has great steal numbers)

    AB is not top 10 in PGs, and that is not a problem, I like him as the next guy, but I actually see other players games, and I am not trying to overprice my product, that is Moreys and Adelmans jobs, not mine

    PeAcE
     
  15. PeppermintCandy

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    A center who puts up 12/7 playing backup minutes would be very valuable.
     
  16. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    You can play in this league for 8+ years avg. that. that's value.
     
  17. aristophanes34

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    But Iggy's teammates DO suck. Aren't you destroying your own argument here a little bit?
     
  18. Stevierebel

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    Hmm, using three of our best trade assets for AI. Just doesn't make sense.

    He isn't the superstar that Morey has set out to get.

    He's waiting to pounce on a superstar whenever one becomes available. I would honestly be surprised AI is the guy.
     
  19. Houston_Rockets

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    I don´t mention in my post whether Iggy is a great or not passer

    What I do say is that, fans, only say he is a good passer because he has the assists, not what kind of assists, because when you have the ball 90% of the time it is easy to have assists, because someone will have to shoot eventually, even if my pass was not truly an assist

    Do you understand my point??? For me it is not about:

    -Nice he has the stats!!!

    It is about how does he have those stats, what kind of shooting percentage he has, where those assists come from, etc etc.

    It is not about what stats does he have, it is about knowing were those stats come from

    PeAcE
     
  20. iconoclastic

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    I'm just curious, when was the last time a superstar was traded in his prime?

    2004? So we might have to wait around 6 years for a superstar to become available?
     

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