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[REAL GM] Insider proposed Rockets deal

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by bbllr3431, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. meh

    meh Member

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    Unlike other rumors or simply made up trade suggestions like Granger(whom the Pacers have as an untouchable), the one thing that makes an AI trade plausible is due to three conditions.

    1. He may just get overtaken by Turner ala KMart getting pushed out by Evans
    2. He's overpaid
    3. The Sixers are trying to shed salary

    IMO, he fits the situation where it's plausible for a player of his caliber to be traded. And due to his high salary, there are only a few teams capable of being the Sixers trade partners. We are, of course, one of them.
     
  2. moreyball

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    Please say no to Andre Iguodala! I think what this team is missing is an elite point guard. I am not a fan of Iguodala's contract and I would rather have Morey pull a miracle and pry Chris Paul away from New Orleans. Maybe even get Deron Williams from Utah if he is not content with their situation, but it always makes me sick thinking about a Utah Jazz player coming to the Rockets :mad:
     
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Get Iggy and you can use his contract to get that elite PG.....at least you have that option.

    DD
     
  4. HTown_TMac

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    Good.

    That means there's a chance.
     
  5. ROXTXIA

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    Everyone gripes about players' salaries.

    If you're not picking up the tab, why worry about it?

    Obviously this is the win-now mode. Les looks like he's ready to pay the luxury tax if necessary.

    If Andre Iguodala provides so much of what we are lacking on the team---defense, passing, NEVER MISSING A GAME---then he's worth the money.

    Admittedly, his numbers are a little inflated because he plays so many minutes, but da-yumn, at least he PLAYS a lot of minutes. That'll come in handy when Kevin Martin misses the pre-req 20 games.

    Andre next to the two matador-defenders Aaron and Kev-Martin should be a good fit.
     
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  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Well spoken good sir !!!

    DD
     
  7. Raven

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    Something that needs to be pointed out when it comes to trading Jordan Hill. This guy has seen very little PT. There's a point where a coach and GM run out of patience, but we're not even close to reaching that point with him.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    Serious Question:
    How many ELITE PGs are there in the league?

    Rocket River
     
  9. desi tmac91

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    Ironically those two things are what Trevor excels at but I get your point.
     
  10. moreyball

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    The problem is that our #1 guy and only superstar is Yao and he is injury prone. We need a #1b in case Yao goes down. If Yao goes down, Andre Iguodala will not be enough to make up for the loss, but if we have a legitimate 2nd #1 option, we still will have hope. Dakota, you are right that we could flip Iguodala for an elite point guard but if our intention is to trade him, I would rather get involved in a 3-team trade that lands us that elite guard and sends Iguodala elsewhere. And about salaries, I don't care about Les having to pay taxes. What I care about is players contracts hindering our future. I would rather have the team have 2 or 3 players making more than 10 million a year and the rest making less than 10. I love the feeling of having a team of underpaid role players who produce more than they are paid. I know that we are somewhat deviating from that with the Scola, Lowry, and Miller signings but it was necessary to have consistency with our roster from last year.
     
  11. SunsRocketsfan

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    i dont hate Ariza.. but did you just say he excels at passing?? Check his assists numbers. Also his defense is highly overrated... he gets his few good steals a game but thats about it..
     
  12. Raven

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    I don't have a problem with any of these contracts, but they do hurt our flexibility, but the truth is that the Rockets didn't have much of a choice.

    The West is going to be a slaughterhouse, and a slow start is simply not an option.
     
  13. Spacemoth

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    I've talked about AI with my friends that watch the NBA about as much as I do, and we sort of agree. He's a highlight reel guy but all his tools are pretty much overrated.

    I don't know where you guys got this "he plays better defense than Ariza" from. He simply doesn't. And he doesn't shoot well nor pass well either. He's a penetrating scorer, surprisingly quick for his size, but never to be mistaken for a superstar. There's a reason the 76ers never have much to show in the way of wins; Iguodala simply doesn't contribute much in the way of winning. Ariza probably shoots better than him too from the outside at least.

    We're holding onto our chips for Chris Paul trade deadline spectacular.
     
  14. BHam24

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    That means there's a chance of what?
     
  15. UTAllTheWay

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    This guy is a legit Sixers insider. He knows what is going on.

    And I assume the guy you are quoting is referencing the fact that the Rockets are quiet about their trades, so if an insider from the other team mentions it, and you can't find anything about it... there's a chance it will happen.

    Just like the Ron Artest and Kevin Martin trades.
     
  16. RasaqBoi

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    great post!
     
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    These 2 specific plays, explains why for me, Iggy, is better overall then Ariza, and for me, he is better then Rudy gay

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    He has better dribbling skills then Ariza, he is worst shooting the 3 ball, but he is better mid.range shooter, I say that passing, is 50 50, they both can pass, they are not great at it, and what i said before, Ariza, is a pass lane defender, he is not a one-on-one defender, like battier, AI for me doesn´t read the passing lanes as well as Ariza, but he is better on one-on-one D, keeping his man in front of him, and with Battier on the team, we can through Battier at the 3 and IGGy at the 2, and I am guarantying that Wade and LBJ, will not score at will, like they will probably do to 99% of the teams

    Rudy is not worth my comentary, he is as overrated as they come...

    What Iggy still has to prov, is that he can do what he does, on day to day basis, plus doing it on the main stage, playoffs, like Ariza did before

    PeAcE
     
  18. desi tmac91

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    Stats are misleading, I watched Trevor closely last season and I noticed that he was actually a great, great passer albeit a terrible dribbler.
     
  19. jump shooter

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    Agree
     
  20. meh

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    Maybe because Les is NOT going to pay the luxury tax for a non-contender?

    Maybe because if the new CBA lowers player% in earnings, we'd be screwed if we have huge long term commitments at higher than the new market value?

    Maybe because I don't want the Knicks picks and our own future 1st rounders turn into deals like this?
     

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