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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. Nook

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    Do you have any early thoughts on the primary field for 2020? If my observations, or alternatively National Review's observations are misguided, perhaps you could help straighten us out a bit. Who are the real contenders in your view (it is too early for any certainty, I do realize)? Are there any primary themes that you believe will drive the selection of the party nominee, or that will define this race in ways that some people might not be anticipating? What are your thoughts and expectations for this field of candidates?
     
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    I expect there to be a large number of candidates and for us to not really know much until we get further along in the process. We saw that with the nomination of Trump, B. Clinton and Obama. it is very difficult to really judge the quality of a likely nominee at this point. I think there is a good chance that the official nominee hasn't even really emerged or at a minimum hasn't really been viewed as a serious contender yet.

    I think most likely you will see a candidate emerge that is pro environmental protection and expanded health care; but not like we have seen with the Green Deal or some of the calls for immediate socialized medicine. Right now a lot of these candidates are running to the left in an effort to get control of the more extreme wing of the party. It doesn't look natural. It didn't when Cruz or Rubio did it, and it doesn't when people like Harris or Warren do it. Whoever emerges will successfully keep the far left wing interested, but not to the point of being unelectable.

    Issues like mar1juana, Dreamer citizenship, some financial incentives for clean energy and even decriminalizing prostitution are the type of areas where a nominee can get non conventional support from typical non-political people and still keep the base engaged. Booker, Harris and Warren are just not sincere or not natural doing so in a public speaking sense. They will all fail to get the nomination. It reminds me of Rubio and Cruz in the past. People can sniff out if someone isn't comfortable in their own skin.

    I do not think that Biden will be the nominee either. He has a lot of baggage. The only real conventional candidate I have seen emerge that has a real high ability to be elected is Amy Klobuchar. There is still a really good chance that someone like Beto O'Rourke captures what he did in Texas and expresses it on a national stage. If he does that, he is almost guaranteed to win because those high charisma nominees almost always win, usually with two terms.... from Obama, Trump, GW Bush etc.

    As for the Nationa Review........ I find a politically slanted media sources view on the other parties Presidential Bids to be useless. The writers usually do not really have any connections to the other party. I remember readings liberal slanted media discussing the Republican primary of GW Bush and they were clueless as to what Republicans would ultimately choose. We saw that in 2016 with Trump (and Clinton too).
     
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    ^^^

    I think you are right about Klobuchar, but I do not believe she comes across as shrill or angry enough to win the nomination this time around. If she all of the sudden did, then the reason for voting for her would be severely eroded. Anyway, she would be an interesting candidate in the general election, if she could get there. But it does not appear at the current time that this is likely at all to occur, in my opinion.
     
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    Biden has a shot to win. I saw a story I think on MSNBC where 7 more states did away with caucuses and went to open primaries. Lots of Republicans/independents are going to be voting for Biden.
     
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    Independent Candidate Howard Shultz is blistering the Democrat's bare behinds with his broadsides against their radical extremist socialism, especially with regards to its effect on our Democracy.

    Howard Schultz: Democratic Party's move left threatens 'fracturing our democracy'

    Howard Schultz said that the Democratic Party is threatening democracy with moving too far left.

    “We have a Democratic Party that’s moving closer and closer to fracturing our democracy and free enterprise system with socialism. And I’m here to say, ‘No, that’s not the way to go.’ We need a new level of leadership, and we need to reimagine the government,” Schultz told CNN Saturday morning.

    “There’s no question that the Democratic Party now is a party that is in the shadows of things that are hard to even imagine, let alone recognize,” Schultz said, blaming two candidates, Sens. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., for driving the party too far left.​

    Rest assured, this line of assault will be one of the central themes of Donald Trump and the Republicans against the Democrats and their presidential candidates. In fact, in case anyone had not noticed, it already is.

    Joe Biden is going to be pressured to move left as well. If he does, that may help him win the nomination for his party, but in the general election, a lot of those voters could very easily vote for Howard Schultz. And for those who want to try to convince themselves that Schultz will take more votes from Trump than whoever the nominee for the Democrats is, you are almost certainly mistaken.

    Schultz is right. The Democrats as a party have gone radically to the left. It is too much and it is as he says, harmful to our democracy. In fact, it appears that the Democrats are largely accepting of that.

    Efforts to try to explain away the radical extreme socialism that this party is now supporting is not likely to be convincing, because after all, actions speak louder than words.
     
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    You're doing the job of hundreds. Kudos.
     
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    Stacey Abrams giving it some thought

     
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    LOL. Oh, brother.
     
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    You think this may unintentionally be a bad idea by trump?



    A previous Robert Francis...

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    not sure the Democrats' Kennedy connotations are all that good an idea in this day and age. The Kennedy luster has certainly been diminished over time
     
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