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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. Os Trigonum

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    pretty sure that's a disability slur . . . careful there cowboy
     
  2. Nolen

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    Jeez, it was a few different polls. Are you seriously just labeling anything you disagree with as fake news, or is the above post sarcastic? I can't tell.

    Here's more polling, from Kaiser Family Foundation:
    https://www.kff.org/health-reform/poll-finding/kff-health-tracking-poll-january-2019/

    Essentially, majorities favor any form of a medicare or medicaid for everyone model. The partisan breakdown is interesting.
    Now even 47% of republicans are in favor of essentially what Obama referred to as "the public option", an optional national medicare-like program you could subscribe to if you want, or stay with your current program if not.

    Kamala Harris's take, supposedly eliminating private insurance (that won't happen, not even in Sweden/Norway is that the case, there will still always be Cadillac plans for the rich) is the least popular, but even that polls a majority in favor even though republicans are 23% in favor.


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  3. joshuaao

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    Sherrod would be an incredible VP candidate - has pull in the Midwest and a long history of fighting for the working man
     
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  4. MojoMan

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    Kamala Harris/Sherrod Brown? That could be interesting.
     
  5. Rashmon

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    Unlike your insightful bullshit?
     
  6. NewRoxFan

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    Agreed. Other interesting VP possibilities... Amy Klobuchar, John Hickenlooper, Steve Bullock, Beto O'Rourke, and Julian Castro. That is, of course, if Amy Klobuchar doesn't win the nomination herself.
     
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    By the way, what ever happened to Eric Holder? I though he was thinking of running.
     
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    "How Democrats' Tax Obsession Could Backfire":

    When Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) announced her candidacy for president, she promised a laundry list of new federal programs — Medicare-for-all, universal pre-kindergarten education, debt-free college — plus the "largest working-class tax cut in decades." How did she propose paying for that tax cut? By getting rid of President Trump's tax cut for "corporations" and the "top 1 percent." But there's a flaw in the plan: While repealing the Republican-passed tax cut in its entirety, including the parts of it that benefited neither corporations nor the top 1 percent, would save an estimated $2 trillion, Harris' big ticket items would undoubtedly cost trillions more. In other words, her grand tax plan just doesn't add up.

    This is a problem not just for Harris, but across the Democratic 2020 presidential field. The candidates — and their voters — want a big increase in federal spending to support new social services. But they seem to have yet to realize that simply nudging the top marginal income tax rate back up won't pay for it all. Deficits are already spiking even without this new spending, and over the long term, Republican tax cuts only account for so much of the red ink.

    And there's another downside to the idea of hiking the top marginal income tax rate: It could alienate affluent, college-educated suburbanites, which have become some of the Democratic Party's most valuable voters. Many of them used to vote Republican but refused to vote for Donald Trump. While many of them are in their peak earning years, they're not wealthy enough to absorb a major tax increase. In fact, such an increase could drive them back into the GOP's arms.

    Nevertheless, freshman Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) has suggested raising the top marginal tax rate all the way back to 70 percent, where Ronald Reagan found it 38 years ago. She wants the cut-off to be at the "tippy top" — people making around $10 million a year. That won't raise much revenue, but applying it to everyone who pays the current top rate would start dipping into valuable Democratic voters' pockets.

    Sen. Elizabeth Warren's (D-Mass.) "wealth tax" is a little bit different, and may be a more viable option for Democrats. She wants to hit those Americans who have assets in excess of $50 million with a 2 percent tax, in addition to a 3 percent levy on those whose assets top $1 billion. Economist Emmanuel Saez estimated to The Washington Post that the tax would raise $2.75 trillion over 10 years.

    That's still not enough. That amount won't cover the cost of expanding Medicare beyond senior citizens, for example. And the wealth tax faces constitutional hurdles. But it would bring in more money than repealing the Trump tax cuts, while taxing far fewer people.

    Whatever the shortcomings of a wealth tax like Warren's — and there are several, which is why eight of the 12 European countries that imposed such levies in 1990 repealed them as of 2017 — such levies will become increasingly attractive to Democrats as a way to get more revenue out of the rich without hitting their own voters.

    But if Democrats aren't careful, their tax obsession could be a gift to the GOP. Republicans lost their ironclad grip on the tax issue once they mostly found themselves arguing against relatively modest increases in the top rate. But if Democrats once again become the party of broad-based tax increases, their new suburban voters might start to have second thoughts about sending self-described socialists to Congress. Walter Mondale, the last Democratic presidential candidate who openly admitted he would raise taxes on the middle class, lost in a 49-state landslide.​

    https://theweek.com/articles/819780/how-democrats-tax-obsession-could-backfire

    more at the link
     
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    The Democrats are conniption-fit mad at lifelong Democrat Howard Schultz for publicly considering a third party run for President. Their mass-media troops have been engaged and are on it, as we have seen the last couple of days.

    Now it appears that Howard Schultz may have an angle for helping to take out the more left leaning and race obsessed candidates on the left.

    “You just played Senator Harris saying she wants to abolish the insurance industry. That’s not correct, that’s not American.
    -@HowardSchultz
    The government run, single payer (socialistic) healthcare proposal favored by Kamala Harris, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren is "Not American". That's some powerful stuff, fellas. And it sounds like a phrase that is likely to resonate quite strongly with moderate Democrats and independents, not to mention at least a few Republicans.

    In fact, Donald Trump may just tip his hat to Schultz on this rather effective dagger thrust, as it is just the sort of clever labeling that he might have come up with himself.
     
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    Perhaps you should quote Mr. Schultz completely?

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/howard-schultz-medicare-for-all-cnntv/index.html

    I think you should include that on your trump campaign poster. :p
     
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    George Will thinks Klobuchar might be best equipped to beat Trump in 2020:

    As the bidding war for the affection of the Democratic left spirals into inanity — “Abolish ICE!”; “70 percent marginal tax rate!”; “Impeach the president!”; “Pack the Supreme Court!”; “Medicare-for-all!”; “Free college!”; “Free other stuff!” — Klobuchar is the potential top-tier candidate most apt to resist forfeiting the general election while winning the nomination.

    Her special strength, however, is her temperament. Baseball, it hasbeen said, is not a game you can play with your teeth clenched. That is also true of politics, another day-by-day game with a long season. It requires an emotional equipoise, a blend of relaxation and concentration, stamina leavened by cheerfulness. Klobuchar laughs easily and often. If the nation wants an angry president, it can pick from the many seething Democratic aspirants, or it can keep the president it has. If, however, it would like someone to lead a fatigued nation in a long exhale, it can pick a Minnesotan, at last.​

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...7b05d5bed90_story.html?utm_term=.44260926c249
     
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    George Will is such a great writer, on politics and on baseball. Love the baseball analogy. Also love the Minnesotan reference (HHH).
     
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    I am not the biggest George Will fan these days, but I think he is right about this, as I have stated a number of times already throughout this thread. Trump's Achilles heel is his personality and his tendency to act out. If the Democrats put someone out there to go toe-to-toe on him using similar tactics, they are almost certainly going to lose.

    But what would Trump do with Klobuchar, whose personality is the opposite of all this? It very likely does not matter, because her chances of winning the primary are probably somewhere between slim and none.
     
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    Trump has raised $21 million in the fourth quarter of 2018, mostly in amounts under $200:

    President Trump’s campaign and affiliated committees announced Thursday they raised more than $21 million in the final three months of 2018 — a strong showing at a particularly tumultuous point in his presidency and a sign of the formidable head start he has in fundraising over the Democrats seeking to unseat him.

    That brings the total fundraising haul for his reelection effort to more than $129 million, a record amount for a sitting president at this point in the election cycle. The campaign has more than $19.2 million in cash on hand by the end of 2018, officials said.

    Trump’s fundraising stands in stark contrast to the wide-open Democratic presidential contest, where as many as two dozen candidates may vie for the party’s nomination and candidates are now gearing up their campaigns and fundraising capabilities.

    The Democratic presidential hopefuls face a bruising and expensive primary battle, and are far behind Trump’s fundraising haul. For example, the campaign committee of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who launched her presidential run on Dec. 31, had $12.5 million in her Senate committee by the end of November, FEC filings show. This money can be transferred to her presidential campaign, but much of it is expected to be spent in the primaries.

    The majority of the money Trump raised during the period came from donors giving in sums of $200 or less, the campaign said. These figures are expected to be reported in new Federal Election Commission records that will be released Thursday night.

    Trump’s enormous haul in the third quarter came even as the president’s party lost its majority in the House during the midterm elections, and as Trump’s demand for a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border led to a partial shutdown of the federal government and sagging presidential approval ratings.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...24486280311_story.html?utm_term=.2bd7f0c81e7d
     
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    PT Barnum was so prescient.
     
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    Corey Booker, who will compete in the SJW/"Identity Politics"/"Political Correctness" bracket of the primary contest, is in.

    Cory Booker launches 2020 presidential campaign

    Booker is the second African American candidate to join the fray, following California Sen. Kamala Harris' entry last week, on Martin Luther King Jr. Day. Booker's announcement also carries symbolism, coming on the first day of Black History Month. Booker, who speaks fluent Spanish, plans to call into radio stations with black and Latino audiences Friday morning to discuss his campaign.

    "The history of our nation is defined by collective action; by interwoven destinies of slaves and abolitionists; of those born here and those who chose America as home; of those who took up arms to defend our country, and those who linked arms to challenge and change it," Booker said in the video Friday.​

    Kamala Harris has already gone out of her way to stake out the most left wing position imaginable within this bracket. It is not clear whether Booker will want to try to flank her from the left, but it will require some really imaginative posturing to figure out a way to do that, if he does.

    In any case, he is focusing initially on establishing a strong base among black and Latinos, which is as straightforward of an "Identity politics" play as it is possible for a candidate to make.

    Eric Holder, who is another expected candidate in this bracket, is expected to announce his intentions later this month.
     
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    So, Joe Biden was in favor of segregation back in 1975. It was all about 'Black Pride'.

    Joe Biden embraced segregation in 1975, claiming it was a matter of 'black pride'

    Joe Biden, weighing a 2020 White House bid, once advocated continued school segregation in the United States, arguing that it benefited minorities and that integration would prevent black people from embracing “their own identity.”

    Biden was speaking in 1975, when he opposed the federally mandated busing policy designed to end segregation in schools. In the past few decades, he has claimed he wanted desegregation but believed the policy of busing would not achieve it. Last year, he stated he had voted heroically to protect busing.​

    So, this was about the same time that Justice Brett Kavanaugh was in high school, right? Except Joe was well beyond High School and also college too, for that matter. Also, there is corroborating evidence in this case, as his statements were on the public record and are documented accordingly.

    Will this matter? Honestly, there are going to be those in the black community that are going to bothered by this.

    And can you imagine the reaction, by elected Democrats and the leftist media if a Republican candidate for President had spoken these words? Obviously, this would be wall-to-wall breaking news, with all the usual suspects on television, accusing the Republican candidate of being a racist and a bigot worse than Hitler and the last 10 grand wizards of the KKK combined. Of course they vaguely accuse Donald Trump of racism every day, but without any legitimate substantiation to speak of, which this surely is for Joe Biden.

    So, if the media ever wants to start being trusted again, they need to start behaving in a trustworthy manner. And that means applying the same standards that they apply to their adversaries to those who they regard as allies. But what is more likely is that they either will avoid this story like the plague, or they will mention it in a story on page 28 below the fold with as few sentences as possible, or on television during a shortened segment, one time, by their least popular show host, probably on a weekend.

    If anyone sees the Democrat left mass media covering this, please do let us know.
     
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    Having a wrong opinion 40 years ago isn't the same as being a rapist 40 years ago. (allegedly)
     
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    thinly-disguised Bill Clinton Juanita Broaddrick reference?
     
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