Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

No. Rashamon is quite incorrect.

For starters, any incumbent has a huge built-in advantage. He seriously has to fumble the ball not to get re-elected.

Second, who in the Hades are the Dems running? Needs to be a centrist Dem, but are there any left? (Heh. Bad word choice: "Are there any remaining?)"

 

For the general election, maybe.

To get through the Dem primaries--no.

 

Oh I know. A centrist Dem would have the best shot at beating the Orange Man. But a) I don't think there are any left and b) you're right, they'd have a hard time making it through the primaries.

Of course, a) and b) are related.

But, all bets are off (perhaps) if someone with the policies and charisma of Bubba shows up. But where is the Bubba of 2019/2020? He may not exist.

 

Heh. Please Dems....*please* nominate Beta. OMG the Orange Man would eviscerate him.

 

hypothetical question. let's say the Democrats' dreams come true and Trump is forced from office prematurely. Does any Democratic candidate fare well against a President Pence? does any Democratic candidate fare especially poorly in that matchup? hypothetically speaking of course.

 

A President Pence might even fare better than Orange Man in 2020, inasmuch as he (Pence) is more of a traditional conservative; thus getting better GOP turnout.

OTOH, McCain and Romney were traditional conservatives too, and look where that got them.

 

what if the scandal of removing Trump from office is so draining that Pence is voted out in a Gerald Ford-like guilt-by-association reaction?

 

Well.....we're getting into some pretty severe hypotheticals here.

But, for your comparison, Pence would have to pardon Trump. That's what hurt Ford.

For speculation purposes, it's probably better to think about which Dem would end up running against the Orange Man.

 

I'm not so sure the pardon was the only thing that hurt Ford--Ford was also unelected as VP after Agnew resigned. I think voters resented that fact about Ford as well. Presumably Pence wouldn't have that disadvantage, but again I think the taint from being associated with Trump might cross over for moderate Republicans and independents to vote for a Democratic nominee.

 

Speaking hypothetically, all one has to do is look at the last time a president left office and his VP took over. Gerald Ford. I know, who? When that happened, Gerald Ford was extremely well liked and respected, both by the public and more so, by congress. He wasn't seen as "just a guy that looks longingly at trump" and wasn't pulled under by the Watergate Scandal (at least initially, he took hits for pardoning Nixon). But even after Ford was generally well liked.

Now, compare that to Pence. Is he well-liked? Respected? Has he successfully avoided being dragged into whatever trump leaves offices about?

Ford was largely a quiet president. I don't really recall anything he did (besides hitting people with golf balls and falling down... maybe Whip Inflation Now (WIN) buttons?). I suppose he was the right guy at the right time, as no one replacing Nixon could expect to have much power as president. Instead, I suspect just getting the country through the rest of Nixon's term was all that one could have expected.

Now, if someone well liked and especially respected in congress couldn't do anything (good or bad)... I really doubt pence will fair any better. In fact, I believe congress dislikes him. He will likely stay in the white house, counting the days.

btw, after Nixon came Carter. The anti-Nixon. Likable, humble, very moral. Both parties may be well-served to find that kind of candidate.

 

well, I guess any press is good press

https://freebeacon.com/politics/the-lackluster-democratic-field/

 

article in the NY Intelligencer, "2020 Candidates Carry Heavy Baggage, and Trump Will Everything He Can to Exploit That."

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...ve-heavy-baggage-trump-will-exploit-that.html

 

Have you tried their sister organization The Intelligencerest?

 

Over 1.1 million dislikes in less than a week, although YT is removing them it appears...

 

Worked for Donald

 

Heh. YT playing stupid games is no surprise; they do it all the time.

 

I think by ready the clown car he meant Trump's car