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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

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    That’s just silly. Pretty clearly an outlier and not worth taking seriously.
     
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    Polls are just information that may or may not be correct. There is a lot of "Fake news" out there and the polls certainly are not immune from that.

    This is food for thought. It is interesting. I will consider this poll and what it communicates along with everything else I that I think I know and understand and draw whatever conclusions that seem appropriate to me.

    At the end of the day, the Democrats can only have one nominee and the only poll that will actually count will be the one in the electoral college following the election next November.
     
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    Is this really shocking? The Democrats have not decided on a candidate and some voters don't even know how the candidates are outside of Biden. It is about the perception of voters and who they think will win, not who they will vote for.

    The only one that really matters is Joe Biden, as most people know who he is having been VP. That doesn't even account for the fact that most people know incumbents usually win.
     
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    I thought those numbers looked suspiciously ridiculous for a head-to-head. It looks like the poll was asking people "who do you think would win" in a head-to-head match-up, not "who would you vote for." So, not comparable to the standard head-to-heads people usually reference. I suppose it does a little bit of work in explaining the "electability" advantage Biden has over other candidates -- people think other people might vote the wrong way if Democrats don't nominate Biden -- but it is not a predictor of how the actual election would go.

    How very unprofessional of him to comment on the health of a patient he has not examined.
     
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    81 year old doctor that doesn't treat patient says 77 year old is at risk for a stroke?

    Really, a 77 year old working long hours and under stress is at a risk of a stroke? STUNNING

    Also, America does not really care that much..........


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    This 73 year old bullfrog looks like his heart is going to explode at least ten times a day..... or he is going to throw up regurgitated flies.

    America just really doesn't care enough for it to make a difference.
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    It has very limited value because there isn't a nominee yet and a lot of people only know a single candidate well.
     
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    I took a poll down in the office breakroom and the mistake-in-chief won. Not surprisingly, the Washington Examiner is interested in publishing my poll tomorrow.
     
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    Sure they are. Please post that here when they publish that, will you please?

    By the way, that was an Economist Magazine/YouGov poll. A lot of media outlets are reporting on this, including CNN, The Washington Post, USA Today and the Bismark Tribune.
     
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    My cousin's friend saw the poll Rashmon took -- it's legit and the Washington Examiner is ready to publish.
     
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    I'm on the fourth floor and I plan to replicate the poll in the fifth floor breakroom to ensure validity. Just waiting on JCDenton & Associates, LLC to finish up the charts.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard dances to the beat of her own drummer, as she was the lone congresswoman to vote "Present" on the impeachment motions, and now she has publicly rebuked Nancy Pelosi for 'Making up the rules as you go along' with regards to her decision to withhold the notification of impeachment that is required to be provided to the Senate.

    Gabbard Trashes Pelosi Over Impeachment: You Can't Make Up the Rules as You Go Along

    “I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present,” Gabbard said following the vote. “I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing.”

    But when Pelosi announced her intention to hold the articles of impeachment in an effort to "ensure a fair trial" in the Senate, Gabbard was shocked.

    “I was surprised to hear that,” the Congresswoman told The Hill TV. “You can’t kind of just shift and change and make up the rules as you go along. If you’re going to pursue this process, you’ve got to let it play out the whole way through.”

    Gabbard argued that failing to deliver the articles of impeachment to the Senate reinforces the hyperpartisanship that is currently taking place, something she believes is the fault of both political parties.​

    In case her current bid for President was not already doomed, this will surely do it with the Democrat base voters.

    However, if she is still in politics 10 years from now, I suspect that this vote will be a huge positive for her. Sometimes you have to play the long game. She is very young and this is the smart play for her. Do what's right and let the chips fall where they may.
     
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    Bernie Sanders can win the nomination and it may very well come down to a competition between Sanders and Biden, says a number of Democrat party experts, as we get ever closer to the official opening of primary season in Iowa on February 3, 2020 (39 days from today).

    Democratic insiders: Bernie could win the nomination


    “It may have been inevitable that eventually you would have two candidates representing each side of the ideological divide in the party. A lot of smart people I’ve talked to lately think there’s a very good chance those two end up being Biden and Sanders,” said David Brock, a longtime Hillary Clinton ally who founded a pro-Clinton super PAC in the 2016 campaign. “They’ve both proven to be very resilient.”

    Democratic insiders said that they are rethinking Sanders’ bid for a few reasons: First, Warren has recently fallen in national and early-state surveys. Another factor, they said, is that he has withstood the ups and downs of the primary, including his own heart attack. At the same time, other candidates with once-high expectations, such as Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Beto O’Rourke, have dropped out or languished in single digits in the polls.

    “I believe people should take him very seriously. He has a very good shot of winning Iowa, a very good shot of winning New Hampshire, and other than Joe Biden, the best shot of winning Nevada,” said Dan Pfeiffer, who served as a adviser to former President Barack Obama. “He could build a real head of steam heading into South Carolina and Super Tuesday.”​

    Hold on to your hats people. This is likely to be a bumpy ride.
     
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    Elizabeth Warren's fundraising fell off 30% in the fourth quarter and she is imploring her supporters to step up the campaign donations in advance of the start of the primaries in early February (less than weeks).

    Warren says campaign fundraising down 30% in fourth quarter

    Elizabeth Warren implored supporters to step up campaign donations as the end of the presidential fundraising quarter looms on Dec. 31, citing a sharp drop-off from three months ago.

    "So far this quarter, we’ve raiseda little over $17million," the Massachusetts senator said in an email Friday. That’s a good chunk behind where we were at this time last quarter," Warren said, noting it's 30% behind where the campaign was in late September.

    Warren's drop in fundraising tracks with her decline in the polls. She led the Democratic field, at 15 candidates, as recently as October. But her polling edge faded fast amid questions over how her "Medicare for all" healthcare plan would be paid for.​

    Warren has tried to market herself as not doing fundraisers with rich donors, but instead, President Obama has apparently been working that circuit as a surrogate on her behalf. But it apparently is not working.

    I am surprised at how much she has fallen off in the polls. Her "Medicare for All" plan was hardly a secret. She is a radical left borderline "socialist" politician. There are a lot of people who support that kind of thinking among Democrat voters. The extent to which she has been abandoned in this race, when there is not really anyone who is a superior alternative, was unexpected, at least to me.

    I wonder why this is.
     
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    You are surprised because you think all democrats are far to the left.

    Hopefully you realize you are and have been wrong all along.
     
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    That is not what I think and I have posted many times about the remarkable vacuum that exists towards the more moderate end of the spectrum in this primary contest. Some say Biden is a moderate, but what he actually is is a weather-vane. The support that he continues to hold onto looks like a place holder to me for a charismatic moderate Democrat candidate, should one be found at this late date.

    It seems to be pretty obvious that there is a BIG appetite among many Democrats for a moderate candidate who can win. Because if the Democrats cannot find such a person, then they are very likely not going to win next November. However, the real moderates are afraid to poke their heads out, because the intolerant SJW left will hunt them down with a view towards ruining them if they dare try.

    If the nominee for the Democrats is Sanders, Warren, or Buttigieg, a lot of potential Democrat voters will either vote for Trump or stay home. And if it is Biden, you guys are in bad trouble anyway.

    There has to be someone else. Surely.
     

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