[Reaction] 3 baffling aspects of our moves at the deadline

With out looking at the numbers I am assuming we will be under the luxury tax after buying out Jeffries. But as a fan I can tell you that this is of zero concern to me if it is ok with Les, particularly since we will be well under salary cap in the off season.

Was Mayo really worth trading a player and a 1st round pick for? It would have been a lateral move at best. We already have Kevin Martin, Courtney Lee and Terence Williams at the 2 spot with Bud filling in there from time to time as well. Mayo's offensive numbers have declined every year since his rookie year and he plays no defense. KMart is better, Lee is more complete and TWill has more potential. I would rather keep the 1st rounder for trade purposes or a draft pick.

I like the pick for AB. I have been a huge fan of AB but the reality is that he has been awful this season and his numbers are much worse than Drogic's this season. I'm shocked that Phoenix did not ask Houston for a pick. Imagine trying to get a 1st round pick for AB after next season if he gets a new salary in the 4 to 5 million a year range for multiple seasons and continues to play at his current pace. He will be viewed as an albatross not an asset.

I partially agree with you on this, however we have not been in rebuilding mode for many years. Regardless of the results we were seen as contenders with Yao and TMac and again with Yao and Ron. Since the season started we basically have lost Battier, Jeffries and AB while getting back Thabeet, Dragic and TWill. TWill alone has more upside than everything we have given up and Dragic is a quality back up on a friendly salary. And although I'm not holding out hope for Thabeet he at least offers us something other than Jeffries.

Furthermore I am not as down on this draft as you. This draft definitely has a lack of quality big men but there are players that I would love to get that we will likely have a shot at. Kemba Walker, Jimmer Fradette, Alec Burks to name a few and you never no if someone like Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones might fall since neither are being viewed as the number one pick anymore.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

you know what..i've had a change of heart. i'm psyched about these moves. Thabeet might not get any minutes...and we didn't acquire someone who would really make us better, and we also didn't turn to the direction of serious rebuilding...but i feel great about it. i can't wait to watch who we pick with Orlando's pick this year and our own pick just outside or inside of the 16th spot. i'm certain we'll get a real difference maker at both. i think this franchise really turned the corner and improved. i look forward to adding about 3-5 years maybe to our "2 playoff series victories in 13 year" stat that is so awesome. i'm pumped. the future is sooo bright with this squad..there are so many young players just waiting to become real all stars.

 

I agree, we pretty much ran out of options. What's funny to me is that after four months of half of this board begging Morey to tank the season he actaully goes out and does it. Now these same people are looking at tanking straight in the face and they're dissapointed because we're looking at 4 or 5 years of rebuilding.

 

#1 this years draft sucks at the top of the draft, but not necessarily in the middle and later parts of round 1.

#2 Getting rid of Brooks and Shane mean that we will probably not be as competitive, which means that we should jump up a spot or two in the lottery and maybe be in a position to get Irving or another "potential" franchise player.

#3 I am surprised that the Rockets got an underpaid back up point guard and a #1 pick for Brooks. Everyone in the NBA knew Brooks was not going to re-sign and that he wants a big pay day.

#4 It is simple... you need at a minimum one elite superstar to really win in this league. The only way you get those guys are through the top of the draft, or being luck enough to get one in trade. There were two available (Melo and Williams) and there was NO chance we would get either. Melo was going to NY, period... and Utah was NEVER dealing Williams to a WC team in their same division.

Morey made the most out of a bad situation.

 

Brooks being a borderline star player, imo, is inaccurate. The way Brooks played this year due to his whining about a contract was one of the most unprofessional players I've seen. Sure, he can catch on fire some games. But I've seen how horrible he can be, too. And when things aren't going his way, he will quit on his team---literally.

Dragic does have heart and has improved a lot from when he first came in to the league. Not to mention he is willing to play defense. Yeah, I'll take this trade with a smile.

 

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I'm unhappy, but a lot of my unhappiness is related to the CBA expiring.

We had potential cap space next year. I suspect that we won't actually get it, because the cap will be lowered in the new CBA. Also, I see these trades as an improvement in position, kind of, but we didn't really go forward. It will be interesting to see if we get any new picks for the upcoming draft. One more thing about the draft: DM will have a bad draft, sooner or later. He is really good at turning low picks into players, but he will have a few bad picks in a row, some time. If that happens this next draft, we will all be even more frustrated than we are now.

NOTE: If the Suns make the playoffs, Houston gets the Phoenix 2011 pick. If the Suns don't make the playoffs the Rockets get the Orlando pick acquired in the trade in December.

Losing AB is a wash, in my POV. We shouldn't be playing so many lousy defenders. It is worthwhile to have Martin out there, but we need to be playing Scola 20 minutes a game, and AB made it worse.

The Thabeet deal doesn't seem worthwhile to me. I see him as another Jordan Hill. I.e., they are still projects. I guess we play the one that is doing better. I actually think that Hill will come along, but we already had that; Thabeet gains us nothing, unless we lose Miller, and maybe Hill.

I also wanted to upgrade the SF position. Instead, we are worse off there. T-Will, IMO, will squander his talent. We had him in the right position when we had players ahead of him. Letting him play without earning his PT will ensure that he will not develop. I would hope we could sign somebody that gets released, or maybe we can find a gem in D-league, but the LT will probably prevent us from signing a newly-released player. Really, why should we pay LT for this season? Let's fix the SF position after the league starts up again.

Also, I would feel better about wasting this trading opportunity if we were going to be able to start again in July, a little over four months from now.

If we don't have additional picks this draft, wake me up when they get a new CBA.

 

it's refreshing to see a guy with 50,000 posts padding his post count.

 

Really sorry to post that so many times. I couldn't get the board to load, as I hit submit, so I assumed it wasn't submitted multiple times. My bad.

 

awesome..we return you to your regularly scheduled dose of safe moves and mediocrity.

:grin:

 

Enough already, MaMa - you've been heard and duly noted. Take it over to Spurs Talk if you want to bore others with it.

 

Yup. The future is indeed bright like all those who replied to your posts argued. Just imagine, Morey got three lottery players from the 2009 draft, Thabeet (#2), JHill (#8), TWill (#11).Wow, great. The only problem with Morey's high pick haul? They are all busts.

People are clamoring for RA to play TWill and I hope the coach will now oblige them and show them why TWill does not play at all. Hope springs eternal but if you are the dumping ground for busts in the NBA, and you brag about it saying that you have all stars in the making from among this group of discards and change, then, what does that tell you?

Also, if all you have to show for since 1996 is "hope for the future", potential allstars for the future, etc., etc. for the "future" then we must all be suckers if we still believe in that "future" crap. The future that Morey wants us to believe is coming is so far away that it isn't visible even if we use the aid of the Hubble telescope.

 

You're forgetting about the 2 first round picks Portland shelled out for Wallace. Pryzbilla was just a filler to make salaries work.

And no.. we traded one declining starter and a player that should be in the d league. A lot of people are overvaluaing Brooks' trade value. We should throw a party that DM was able to get a better OVERALL point guard and got Pheonix to throw in a first round pick. We would be a better team if we benched or cut AB. The problem is that he's a high volume shooter and has been in a horrid slump.

Let's look at his game logs since his return from injury:

Spoiler

2-12
2-9
4-12
6-13
2-14
1-8
2-6
6-12
7-19
3-12
2-10
5-14
5-14
2-11
2-10
5-15
1-8
8-14
3-6
8-15
1-3
3-10
2-10
6-13
5-15
2-6
1-5
3-10

 

Since 1996? Really? I thought we were in the "win now" mold just a few years ago.