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Rate Yao Ming's passing

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Tmacfan0115, Dec 29, 2008.

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Rate Yao Ming's passing

  1. Below Average

    8.1%
  2. Average

    46.4%
  3. Above Average

    41.4%
  4. One of the best

    4.2%
  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    Average at best doesn't equate to average. Below average is my vote.

    BTW, how do you know how I voted? It doesn't appear to be a public poll.
     
  2. Tmacfan0115

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    Do you mean pulling out the other years Not just this year?

    And It is not all true, because I looked at it last night on 82 games and it showed that Earl Watson's passing rating was ahead of Deron Williams

    And please, You think Watson is a better passer than D-Will?
     
  3. Tmacfan0115

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    Last year his rating was 2.6
    http://www.82games.com/0708/07HOU21A.HTM

    And if it was the same as last year's he would be in the Top 10. You cannot really base stats currently to tell who is better than who yet.

    If his rating is the same by all-star break so be it, but as for now It's actually pretty good.
     
  4. Hayesfan

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    Part of that is our piss poor shooting percentages by some of our key players that he's passing out to. I have a feeling it will get better.

    Yao is no elite passing center, but he's not below average either. I would mark him as average to slightly above average (which is why I voted his upper limitation)
     
  5. Tmacfan0115

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    Good choice and I agree with your post, It's not entirely his fault. You also have to dis-credit the other players for not being able to catch it, or not being able to make the open jumper.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Good, not great.

    He is not quick enough to make the anticipation pass.

    DD
     
  7. leebigez

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    Stats aren't everything, but you want ur center/big forward to be 1 to 1 asst/to. Yao is at .5 which means he's not a good passer.
     
  8. Tmacfan0115

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    So far this season...... I'm guessing you forgot about his huge slump in early November?

    He has been averaging 2 assists this month in December.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    He does make the pass out from the post, which usually leads to a 2nd pass to the corner for a wide open 3....

    DD
     
  10. Tmacfan0115

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    Also known as the Hockey assist.
     
  11. durvasa

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    I don't know what you're asking here.

    Yao has a 0.8 passing rating this year, but last year it was 2.6, and the year before that it was 2.9. He's getting less assists, and he's throwing more bad passes per assist this season. So, to be fair, perhaps by the end of the year he'll have one of the better passing ratings for centers.

    The difference between them, according to this rating, is negligible. Has Watson been a better passer this season? Perhaps. I haven't watched enough OKC games to make a judgment. But Deron Williams has missed a lot of time, and he's still near the top of the league in passing turnovers. So maybe it's fair to downgrade his passing ability, at least so far this year.

    Last season, Deron had a 18.1 passing rating, and Watson had a 14.7 passing rating. That looks closer to the mark, and it's quite possible that by the end of this season their numbers will be similar to that.

    Anyways, as I said, this passing rating isn't the final measure of passing ability. It's just one thing worth looking at. I know, from watching Yao many years, what he's good and not good at. He's pretty good at passing out of double teams; it's something he's well accustomed to doing. He is not good passing when facing the basket. He's not particularly good at passing over the top to cutters. He's slow to recognize developing plays, and he has a tendency to telegraph his passes. There's a lot of things that go into being a "good passer". It's hard to attach a single number to it.

    Because Yao is so good at drawing double teams and the Rockets runs their offense through him so often, he'll get his assists now and then. His presence can create openings for teammates which he can take advantage of by passing back out. Does that make him a good passer, or just a potent offensive player?
     
  12. shortfuse3

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    one thing i noticed is that whenever one of our players catches a Yao pass from the low post and shoots it, RARELY do they make the shot. this means one of two things:

    1) Yao's passes are off target so our players have to gather the ball then shoot.

    2) His passes are so slow the defender is able to close out easily.

    we have to make the EXTRA pass because usually when Yao passes out the defender can react fast enough.
     
  13. leebigez

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    I don't want to turn this into what yao can't do, but hockey asst or whatever, .5 is .5 asst/to. That indicates you're not a good passer/decision maker. Part of being a good passer is being a good decision maker. He's not a good enough passer/decision maker to make multiple cuts and flairs off of him as a axis. He can at times make the hockey assist, if that's what yall want to say, but we've also seen him get pushed off his base and make a piss poor pass. We've seen him miss cutter from th elbow. I'm not saying he has to hit all or half of those, but like rafer, you have to see the play develop in your mind before it acgually happens. Again, you want ur bigs to be 1:1 or damn close. .5 is pathetic.
     
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    Yao is a good passer. His asts should be around 4-5 average if his teammates like Rafer would hit wide open 3s. They get like 7 a game from Yao.
     
  15. weslinder

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    There's a lot of players who aren't really centers on that list. Just by feel, I would have put him better than that, but I'd still put him below a lot of centers.

    Miller, Duncan, Okur, Big Z, Bogut, Both O'Neals, and Gasol are all clearly better passers as true centers. Many of the Forwards that play the 5 in today's NBA are also better. Yao isn't a poor passer, but he probably is below average.
     
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    The Rockets are 5th in the league in 3-point shooting, at 39%. You're saying that the Rockets get about 7 wide open 3s a game off Yao's passes, and yet he's only averaging about 1 3-point assist per game.

    So, you mean to tell me that somehow the Rockets shoot 39% overall on 3's, but when they get wide open ones from Yao they shoot only 14%? Yeah, right.
     
  17. durvasa

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    Like who? I tried to assign the positions as best I could, but I might have messed up on a few.
     
  18. t_mac1

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    yao's a decent passer, but by no mean good. usually, he'll pass right back to the guy who passed him the ball. and when teams double him with 2 bigs, it's basically a TO.

    however, if teams double him with midgets, he can easily hold the ball up high and see the court and can make some very good passes (ala v. the wiz).

    we make most of our 3s off of peentration b/c guys spot up all over the floor and it's harder to rotate back.
     
  19. SugarLandDream8

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    Do you watch games? Yes Yao's teammates get around 7 wide open 3s a game. They miss many. They decide to do the hockey pass/ast for others. Rafer in particular misses so many wide open 3s from Yao. Tmac too.
     
  20. Tmacfan0115

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    So BrooksBall, who was right again?
     

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