So what gives here? No pass rush but you are now down on the draft of the great Mario? Make up your mind You gave it a "B" (before the draft) yet you predicted in this thread that that we only win a maximum of 3 games at best? Can you explain? How did we regress over 4 weeks? Doesn't a "B" rating mean that we are likely to improve well above our 2 win season? Hmmmmm.. Again, what gives here?
I don't care how many games they win. After those idiots blew the chance at getting Bush I could care less what they do. I was a season ticket holder but not anymore. You draft a guy who may go 2 weeks without even making one play over a guy thats a gamebreaker like Bush?? I wasn't in the VY camp but if the Texans had passed on Bush for VY then I would have been cool with that but to pass up on both that will be one of the biggest mistakes in NFL history. Mario Williams will be another Courtney Brown. Thats just my opinion.
See ya. I may know some people who'd love to take some season tickets off a whiny ex-fan. E-mail me through the board.
Speaking of irate season ticket holders, my parents, who have had Oilers/Texans since 1969, are supremely pissed about not getting Vince Young (or Reggie Bush). I had to perform some serious damage control. In fact, I deserve a nice, fat check from the Texans media relations department after the verbal abuse my dad, who's a card-carrying member of the "insanely gung-ho UT alumni" club, laid on me for supporting Super Mario.
pass rush shouldnt have been addressed with the first pick in the draft. reggie bush was the most anticipated player in any draft ever. even over lbj id have to say...u gotta take that guy
I assumed we would get Bush when I voted A, so I think I would now change my vote to a B. Not a bad offseason (coulda done better, coulda done worse). I think we did improve though.
i've talked to at least 5 season ticket holders who had the exact same reaction and are planning on calling tomorrow to see if they can SOMEHOW get the first part of their ticket deposit back. there's no way they'll get it back.
I'll bet there's at least 50 people waiting in line for each of your 5 friends to give up their tickets...
i'm sure you're right. there has been a waiting list for the last few seasons. i'm wondering if there's more people out there than just 5 who feel this way?
If Reggie Bush was the most anticipated player in any draft ever, why was there even a debate (and yes, there was a debate) over who should be the No. 1 pick, from Vince to Mario? If Reggie Bush was a better prospect than LBJ, why couldn't his team with 12 NFL prospects this year alone win the Rose Bowl? Bush was definitely a highly-ranked prospect, but he's not even remotely the most anticipated player in any NFL draft this decade... that honor belongs to Michael Vick. As far as him being the most anticipated player in any draft ever... that's utterly ridiculous. Also, pass rush shouldn't be addressed with the first pick in the draft? So, you're saying you'd pass up one of the five cornerstone positions (QB, WR, OT, DE, CB) for a player (RB) of a non-cornerstone position, and more specifically a position where undrafted rookies excel every year?
You really twist the facts to make it fit. Reggie was not even remotely the most anticipated prospect this decade? Heisman Trophy, "greatest team of all time led by Reggie Bush"- per ESPN? Sound familiar? Name ONE Draft magazine that did not have Reggie Bush's face on it. I think he and Michael Vick are comparable in terms of the hype surrounding their college careers - except Bush was part of 2 championships and Vick was not. if Vick was 1, Bush was 1a. He was certainly more anticipated and a higher ranked prospect than David Carr, Alex Smith, Eli Manning, Courtney Brown, or even Carson Palmer - who only became succesful after Norm Chow's arrival. As far as the Rose Bowl, it was no secret the Longhorns implemented a defense to stop Reggie Bush from sideline to sideline - which exposed the middle and allowed Lendale White to run at will. The reason USC lost was because their defense got shredded. Of the 12 NFL players drafted, how many were on the defensive side and in what rounds? Troy Pomlamalu was not exactly manning the spy position.
Are they Vince Young Only fans or Reggie Bush Only Fans? Now I ask - is the phrase "True Fan" a myth? Do "true fans" turn their backs on team at whim? I Think it is fair for fans to turn their backs for anyreason they choose afterall it is their money and/or time being invested. Maybe there no real "true fans" pr they are very few. I cannot say that I am better than anyone who decides to give us his season tickets due to draft dissapointments but I still find it puzzling that there is bias in every bottom line. How do we ballance this out? Well I say that the benefit of doubt should always go to the team's front office save for special situations. Is this case a special situation where the team brass needed to heed the fans call/desire? I say no - we are not the LA Clippers or terribly and perenially bad franchise. Hmmmmm....I hope the "backlash" from this draft is not bad enough to create a negative working environment for Coach Kubiak and his wards. Hopefully all of this will melt a way soon - and we will all come to our senses.
That hype was before all the games were played. Then there was that national championship game... the Rose Bowl... remember that? After all the games were played (and still well before the draft), it was Vince Young that almost all analysts declared worthy of the Heisman, and it was Texas led by Vince Young that people were ranking among the greatest teams of all-time. It was Vince along with Reggie on the cover of ESPN The Mag as the NEXT athlete. Sound familiar? Also, I don't think Bush was more anticipated or more highly ranked than Eli Manning. If he was, why weren't teams beating down the door with offers like the one the Giants made for Manning? Manning wasn't as sexy a pick as Bush - he wasn't a one in a generation athlete running a 4.3 40 - but I'd certainly make the argument that he was higher ranked among NFL circles. I don't think that was the case at all. The Rose Bowl I saw showed a Texas team frequently defending the pass and not leaning to the run in any direction. The Rose Bowl I saw showed Bush struggling at times against linebackers and defensive linemen with elite-level speed. I wasn't blaming Bush for the loss. However, if he was a higher ranked prospect than LeBron James - the greatest in the history of sports - they win that game. They didn't have the best of defenses, but Texas' defense didn't play all that well either. If Bush was the best player in the history of sports, with all of the surrounding talent he had on offense, I have a hard time believing USC doesn't score more than 10 points in the first half and win that game, regardless of what Texas does.
You are completely making sh*t up. The only reason people thought Vince might get picked over Reggie Bush was because Houston held the #1 pick. As far as Eli Manning and Reggie Bush: ELI MANNING Position: QB Class: Sr School: Ole Miss Conference: SEC Ht., Wt.: 6'4½, 221 40 Time: 4.92 Grade: 5.06 Selected by New York Giants Round 1, pick 1 (1 overall) BIO: Three-year starter awarded numerous honors since his sophomore campaign. All American, all-conference and SEC Offensive Player of the Year as a senior when he also won the Maxwell Award as the nation's top collegiate player and Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, handed to the top senior quarterback in the country. Finished 2003 with passing numbers of 62.4 percent/3,600/29/10. Second team All-SEC as a junior when he became the school's career leader in touchdown passes and finished the season throwing 58 percent/3,401/21/15. Earned honorable mention all-America honors from several media outlets as a sophomore in 2001 after numbers of 63.5 percent/2,948/31/9. All-academic selection in the past and carries a 3.44 GPA. Brother of Peyton Manning of the Indianapolis Colts and son to former Saints passer Archie Manning. POSITIVES: Smart, instinctive passer with a great feel for the game. Sets up with solid footwork, senses pressure then steps up to avoid the rush. Patient, buys as much time as possible and remains calm as the pocket collapses around him. Sells the ball fake, sees the field and finds the open wide out. Quick releasing the pass, puts zip on his throws over the middle and nicely times the outs. Goes through receiver progressions, knows where his pass-catchers are on the field and puts touch on throws when needed. Gets outside the pocket if pressured and accurate throwing on the move. Lets receivers run to the corner routes putting air under his throws. Always in total command of the offense. NEGATIVES: Deep throws lack speed and must improve his accuracy down the field. Lacks the quick set up or ability to immediately get the ball off on a three-step drop. Does not display the same pinpoint pass placement his brother did coming out of college. ANALYSIS: By himself, Eli is a top prospect worthy of the first pick in April's and a quarterback that can lead a team at the next level. Yet with that he'll constantly be compared to brother Peyton and does not possess the same detailed nature or overall quarterback intangibles. Should be graded on what he is; a terrific prospect that can quickly start at the next level and deliver early returns. PROJECTION: Early First Round Reggie Bush Height: 5-11 Weight: 200 40 Speed: 4.35 E Position: Running Back College: Southern California Final Grade: D 7.0 RET SUMMARY Bush is a player that everyone has been screaming about all season, and it's clear that he is an elite talent. He has good height for a running back and, while he is thinner than ideal for his height, within a season or two he will naturally add 10 pounds or so as all players do when they mature in their early 20s. Bush is similar to Marshall Faulk when he was a San Diego State star and he will be best utilized in the same type of role that Faulk has had in St. Louis. He is not going to be a running back in the NFL who gets 30-plus carries a game, but will eventually be able to handle 15-20 carries, 4-8 catches and return punts. Overall, Bush is going to make an immediate impact in the NFL with his ability to make game-changing plays once he is in the open field. While many people say you cannot risk using Bush as a returner, he is the type of returner who can change games and singlehandedly win the field position battle for his team. CRITICAL FACTORS Size Athletic Ability Hands Competes Play Speed Blocking 5.5 8.0 7.0 7.5 9.0 5.0 STRONG POINTS Bush is a remarkable athlete with the vision and instincts to take advantage of his athleticism. Once he sees the hole, he has shown the ability to stick a foot in the ground and can explode off his cut and through the hole in a flash. He gets behind the defense very fast and has the playing speed to outrun the angles to take plays the distance. He is a dangerous receiver out of the backfield and consistently has shown the ability to make great catches and then makes big plays running in the open field. He runs tougher than you expect between the tackles. He Will lower his shoulder and deliver a blow to the tackler. He is a very dangerous returner whose quickness, elusiveness and playing speed make him a touchdown threat on every return. WEAKNESSES Bush is a little thinner than ideal for his height and lacks the size and strength to break tackles consistently in the NFL. He carries the ball too loosely and does not get it into his outside arm consistently. If he is this nonchalant with the ball in the NFL, he will fumble. He is not a consistent pass blocker and often gives just an adequate effort and his man pressures the quarterback.
