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Rate T-Mac's comeback

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by desi tmac91, Jan 25, 2009.

  1. DaDakota

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    You said he was killing Scola, that is just not true.

    Maybe to a casual fan it looked like that, but I know you are better than that Shaud.

    DD
     
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    Knicks ball movement killed our interior D - but scola made a lot of silly fouls and gave up some critical 3-point plays because he was late on rotations or tried to cover the baseline way too late.



    Who the heck is suppose to be covering the baseline???? What happened to packing it in the paint when the opposing defense drives in??
     
  4. Shaud

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    DD I must admit I exaggerated the comment. But since we are talking about Scola, I definitely thing he is the least of our problems. Him and Alston are basically the only ones that run the offense. Adelman gotta get T-mac, Artest, and Battier moving without the ball more, especially Mac and Artest. This team can't be consistent on offense with both of them playing that way.
     
  5. Shaud

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    I know Yao would struggle guarding Lee but not having him there hurt us. The knicks got in the hole at will tonight because we had no shot blockers inside.
     
  6. DaDakota

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    Agreed with everything you just said.

    DD
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    To some degree you want them to move, but not all of them. They are right that at times they need to camp out to create space...but the problem is that the ball does stop when it goes into t-mac's hands...and artests.

    They don't swing the ball a whole lot...but at the same time they are use to having the ball in their hands.

    With t-mac this isn't so much of a problem because he is such a great playmaker and passer and he actually does move the ball quite a bit...he just also spends time assessing if he is going to take him guy off the dribble - probably with t-mac he just needs to be more decisive.

    With artest he needs to be less of a playmaker and more just his role as a scorer. But instead of settling for the jump trying taking it into the hole more. He was effective tonight doing that - definitely not as a jump shooter. That's not his strength.

    Battier - again - it's the same thing with t-mac, these guys are also trying to maintain spacing. Problem isn just having Battier, T-mac, AND artest in at the same time.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    The thing is the ball stops with Tmac but at least he can create.

    Ron can not..the ball stops and jacks.

    Tmac is a ball stopper but he can play off the ball.....Ron is just a ball stopper who doesn't fit.

    And Ron's contract is expiring and imminently tradeable.

    Ron + Luther for Hinrich

    or

    Ron for Mike Miller...

    Just get a better fit for this team...for Ron's expiring deal.

    DD
     
  9. texanskan

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    Miller would be a great fit
     
  10. Shaud

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    I agree but I also think the playmaker mentality cost him too. He's not as quick as he used to be so he needs to be more decisive. He needs to attack as soon as he gets the ball instead of waiting on the defense to set up. He tries to read the defense. He should make the defense react to his aggressiveness instead of reacting to the defense. In the Philly game he got to the whole with ease at the beginning of the game because he attacked as soon as the ball hit his hands. If he attacks quicker that is one less defender he has to worry about.

    Now I agree he should still look for his teammates, but there are times where he just needs to look for his own shots and I'm not talking about those long contested jumpers because he can get that at any point. I am talking about getting himself an easy look to the basket.
     
  11. t_mac1

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    DD hits it on the head.

    exactly. all the great players stop the ball at times b/c they feel they can take their guy off the dribble. that's not the problem with tracy. the problem is when he stops the ball, he CANNOT beat his man off the dribble right now and that can stagnate the offense.

    when he gets better, i dont' think this is a problem. even right now, you can still run for plays where he can use the screen curls and plays like that to make him move off the ball.

    artest simply cannot move off the ball (b/c he can't elevate off screens to shoot nor is he a great finisher around the rim) and he has zero passing ability it seems like. he's a beast on the spot up 3 and post ups. but we don't need those things from him. spot up 3s can be taken by others and post ups we have yao and tracy.

    i don't think artest necessarily has to go. he just can't start with tracy and yao. he MUST play with the 2nd unit.
     
  12. Shaud

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    Exactly on that bolded part. That is why I'm more frustrated with Artest than T-mac, because at least T-mac shows he can get others involved.

    Really in good games and bad games T-mac and Artest play the same way. They both live and die by the jumpshots. The difference in whether they have a bad game or good game scoring wise is all dependent of the jump shot falling that night. Both of them can't elevate to finish like they need to consistently. Artest has had 2 monster dunks that made you go WOW, but most of the time he is struggling to get a decent shot off. T-mac hasn't dunked on anyone and he struggles everytime while driving.

    I didn't agree with trading Artest at first but if both T-mac and Artest are going to continue to play this way someone has to go and I would rather it be Artest at this point even though I love having both of them on this team.
     
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    But why would Chicago take Ron? Does anyone want the guy? At this stage, I think his stock is fairly low.

    Not sure you'd even get Hinrich for Artest and Head. Maybe go back to Jersey and see if they would give us someone.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    They would take Ron because his contract is expiring this year, and Hinrich has 3 or 4 years more and they need the space for Derrick Rose to develop.

    Hinrich could be our Mike Bibby, a quality player stuck on a bad team who explodes when playing with better players.

    More than any other position a PG's abilities are magnified by whom he is playing along side of....and Hinrich in Houston would be playing with MUCH better teamates.

    DD
     
  15. Shaud

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    DD if we traded for Hinrich wouldn't we have to include Alston or Brooks in the deal?
     
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    Wow dada never quits LOL. There is a thing called team chemistry. Im excited about Yao returning and watching this team gel heading into the playoffs
     
  17. DaDakota

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    Nah, I believe that I have been right all along and that Artest doesn't fit, and Hinrich would be a serious upgrade.....

    Can't blame me for sticking to my guns.

    :D

    Not necessarily.....why?

    DD
     
  18. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You think he's that much of an upgrade over Alston? And what do you do then do with Rafer?

    I'd rather get a more athletic and taller power forward.
     
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    15 points, 20 points = 17.5 points per game (7/10)
    4 rebounds, 4 rebounds = 4.0 rebounds per game (8/10)
    4 rebounds, 6 assists = 5.0 assists per game (8/10)
    6/14, 7/20 = 13/34 = .380 FG% (2/10)

    TOTAL: 25/40 - 6.2 OUT OF 10.
     
  20. 1RocketMac11

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    didn't factor in defense which is like (4/10)

    which makes it 29/50 = 5.8
     

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