B_B, I was trying to get JBC to see that he was sending you too much of what you don't need. Personally, I wouldn't part with Cato or Mobley for Rasheed Wallace -- talentwise, yes, but headcase, no. I'd rather wait for our free agency shot at him if management is hell-bent to get Wallace.
wallace is an enigma, he can do so much on the floor it's not funny, but at the same time he has some issues which are keeping him from being an elite player. the delima the folks in portland are facing is should we trade him? or let him come off the books at season end. some have said he's indicated he'll like to stay but at the right price which is the MAX according to he's crew, but portland has made it clear they wont give him the MAX. if i was a betting man, i'll say the blazers will rasheed sail into the sunset come seasons end..
leebigez, you bring up good points! Wallace is defintely a tease. He has great talents...you just never know what you are going to get. I feel SAR is a bit more consistant. I guess the HOPE is that the Wallace + JVG combo would bring out the best in Wallace. Again, another risk. FYI, SAR's line tonight against the Wizards: 12-18FG, 25pts and 16 rebounds, 3 assists in 38 minutes.
I don't see it happening. Rasheed is too talented; I would not expect him to take a lot less money to play for the Rockets. I'd like him playing with this team, but I don't see it happening. Good luck on the Wallace trade,.
I don't understand something. Why are we still talking about trading Cat and Cato and MoT for Rasheed? What team in their right mind, not just the Rockets, but any team, would trade any decent talent for Rasheed at this point without a signed extension and a firm committment of a major attitude overhaul? The only teams that would deal for Rasheed and would give away any talent for him at all would be teams that are trying to get out from under long contracts, they are wanting cap space. Ladies and gentlemen, that is what Portland is wanting is cap space. Or quality players with short term contracts, or underpaid players, or draft picks. Portland is not gonnna take on overpaid players and tie up their cap space for more years. They are trying to get rid of Rasheed. So, once again, why should the Rockets trade Cato, MoT, and/or Cat for Wallace? Unless they signed him to a contract extension and they knew he was gonna change his attitude. It is totally stupid to give up a player who is banging heads defensively for Van Gundy for an enigma. It is stupid to give up a proven scorer and primo defender in Mobley for an enigma. And Portland flat out would not want an overpaid MoT to leach onto their cap space for Wallace. At this point, Wallace is untradable, except for another team's trash. That is, unless Portland can find some stupid GM out there that will give up quality talent for the opportunity to rehab Rasheed. And it hasn't happened. I don't think there is a GM out there that is willing to roll that dice. Now practically every GM in this league would be willing to roll the dice on Wallace in the offseason and sign him as a FA, maybe giving him a few dollars more than the MLE to get him away from the competition, as long as they don't have to give up other talent for him. But I repeat, what GM is gonna be stupid enough to give away quality talent at this point for the opportunity to take on a recycle project for the next 5 months or so in hopes that he turns it around and they can sign him long term at a good price? That's why all these proposed trades for Rasheed involving Cat, and Cato, and Mot are ridiculous. CD ain't that stupid. He's a pretty good GM. I will only change my opinion of him if he does indeed deal away one of our major contributors for Rasheed. That is why I maintain that Rasheed can be had for the TE, a draft pick, and some minor players to make the dollars work. Portland don't want him. He don't want them. They don't want any long contracts. He hasn't expressed much interest in playing anywhere else except to a minor degree in Houston. If Rasheed tells Portland management that he wants to be moved and that he wants to play for .......... team, I think Portland will try to deal him to ......... team just to get some value in return for him. The TE plus a draft pick or two is 100x more than what they are getting for him right now. I will be totally shocked if ANY team gives Portland any substantial talent for Rasheed.
Just like clockwork, SAR is very,very consistent. Not only that, itshis 17th double-double of the yr. I wonder how many Wallace has had. Try 4
In the original article I linked for this thread the reporter wrote the allure of Houston for Rasheed was that he would be playing with Francis & Ming since Houston have deemed these two untouchable in any trade talk. Besides Francis isn't going anywhere out of Texas because of family and any trade cncerning Ming would have to concern Chinese government officials...
Hmmm... Damon & Rasheed for ???? Hmmm... Damon & Rasheed for ???? Would the Rockets trade for players with a bad historys just after releasing Eddie?
Something I think is worth noting when comparing the stats of Wallace and Abdur-Rahim: Years in NBA Wallace - 9 SAR - 8 Minutes played Wallace - 20,542 SAR - 21,463 Career FGA's Wallace - 7,642 SAR - 8,959 > nearly 1,300 more shots in 1 less season Career FGA's per 40 minutes Wallace - 14.9 SAR - 16.7 Career points per FGA Wallace - 1.24 SAR - 1.31 Career offensive boards per 48 minutes Wallace - 2.3 SAR - 3.2 Career defensive boards per 48 minutes Wallace - 7.1 SAR - 7.5 Career blocks per 48 minutes Wallace - 1.7 SAR - 1.1 Personnally, I'd be happy with either but feel Rasheed is a better defender and has better shooting range. Of course, the playoff minutes aren't even close....1,891 to 0.
As true as all that might be, Sheed is my 2nd favorite player after Colorado Kobe and I would luv to have him as a Rocket Man. Although I really wouldn't give up our top 3 players (Cat, Yoa, Steve) to get him. I would want to add him to the mix cuz we need offense real bad.
Gater, we always agree to disagree, but these are some good numbers. Based on that, do you still think SAR is not as good as Wallace and not more consistent than Wallace. Add in the fact that he's 2 yrs younger.
numbers don't tell the whole story. Rasheed, IMO, would be a better fit because he'd create better spacing for the offense. He can drift out to the three point line, allowing Steve and Yao to work freely in the paint. If the D packs it in, Wallace can burn them from the outside. SAR doesn't have that kind of range that would punish sagging D's.
leebigez - Believe it or not, I often agree with your opinions but choose not to "me, too" your posts. IIRC, excluding your high opinion of Jim Cleamons SAR is one of our few major differences we have. So here is the basis of my personal fascination with Rasheed. Scrape away all of the stupid things he's done....the man's passion to win is obvious. I'm probably alone in my assessment but I see man approaching 30 who.. * has played the vast majority of his career in a small (likely conservative) market with close media scrutiny * for a franchise with a proven track record of winning (ie, historically high expectations of winning) * on a team assembled with money as no object * has never played big minutes * has been asked to move over for Zach Randoph * has been frustratingly close, but has not been able to get past the Lakers * has played for such disciplinarians as Adelman, Dunleavy, Sr and Mo Cheeks I don't want to (and will not) make excuses for Rasheed Wallace's behavior. But I feel (for the right price and circumstances), Wallace is a risk worth taking. I can't prove it, but IMVHO the next team that gets Wallace is going to get a changed man. It's just a hunch I have rooted in the fact that off-court Wallace is a family man and is heavily involved in the Portland community. If on the 1 on 1,000 chance Wallace would take an MLE contract from Houston, it's a no brainer IMO.
All things being equal, just looking at talent, Wallace makes perfect sense for the Rockets. Wallace's talents are exactly what we had HOPED Griffin would eventually develop. Be a solid defensive player, block shots, rebound and be able to space the floor with mid range and 3pt jumpshots. Plus Wallace has a nice postup inside game. Wallace would be a tremendous fit in Houston. He can play all 3 positions in the front court. The only thing I wonder about are the intangebles. I do think though that getting out of Portland would do a WORLD of good for him. Notice we haven't heard a peep form Bonzi in Memphis. I just think the climate in general in Portland isnt very good. If we got Wallace here with JVG it could be something special. I am intrigued but at the same time hesitant. SAR is the "safer" bet of the two, but risk wise, if Wallace panned out he could pay off even bigger dividends. As I said earlier, either of them would do a world of good for the Rockets to have a solid NBA starting forward.
