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Rashard Lewis is our Answer!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by F.D. Khan, Apr 5, 2006.

  1. tracymac

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    you can always slide tmac over to the sg slot...he used to play there before...i know he's prolly more effective at sf but he's still tmac...
     
  2. cyber-dave

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    Many believe he can't or shouldn't play SG....to fast a position for him on defense...?
     
  3. Rocket River

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    TEXAS CONNECTION!!!!!

    Houston EARLers!!
    Olajuwon and Drexler
    Roger Clements

    Every houston team is better with a Texan or someone with strong Texas ties
    on the team


    Rocket RIver
    IT IS KARMA BABY . . . .

    . . . i just want to have a better team
     
  4. tone-weezy

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    neither can Tracy...thats why Lewis isnt a good fit unless he comes off the bench or all of a sudden shows he can play PF.

    He and Tracy dont match defensively. Tracy cant guard SGs(normal sized) and Lewis can barely guard SFs...if you think the perimeter D is bad now just wait.

    Now, if you want to trade him for tracy then thats a different....although you could get a better deal.
     
  5. krnxsnoopy

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    well that is true, but ray is also a tad bit shorter than tmac as well, he's a better spot up shooter obviously but id say worse than tmac off the dribble. not only that i just think tmac is as explosive/clutch as anyone in the league... tmac is a better version of rashard... of course if it was yao-tmac-rayray, thatd be championship team right there =D
     
  6. jopatmc

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    TMac is the best defender on the team for players like Kobe. He gives Kobe fits defensively. Don't say he can't guard shooting guards because he can. But what he can't do is carry the offense and then be Van Gundy's defensive grunt all night long for 82 games plus the playoffs. We need a bigger, longer Wesley at the shooting guard spot, a player with a small ego who will just go out and bring it every night and be willing to take 3rds on offense.
     
  7. LegendZ3

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    I think the salaries match up, at least according to RealGM it is.

    I love T-Mac to death, but I really think having 3 stars on our team is going to put us to the top.
     
  8. krnxsnoopy

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    Well while the board is split on the tmac-stro-pick for rayray-rashard trade... i put money on it the sonics board is not as divided... even more so, sonics management(the ones with their neck on the line) would be even more cautious.. .why would they trade their two best assets for a tmac with a huge question mark and an unproven stro?

    that said, yao rashard and ray would be deadly
     
  9. LegendZ3

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    Well, if Lewis is going to leave after next season, Sonics is going to want to get something in return for him. Ray is a good player, but you always want to jump on a chance to get a superstar, just like what the Rockets did with Steve and Cat. Plus this year's draft seems to be loaded with potential, with a high draft pick from the Rockets, they can find someone who can play along side with T-Mac.

    I know it's kind of pushing it, but if I'm Sonics, and Lewis wanting out, I would seriously consider it.
     
  10. cuneo77

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    i read ray was lobbying for a veteran to be onthe team, lets give them howard for reshard :p
     
  11. nahmorlah

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    I mean, I know he's a good player, but I don't understand how this shows his game is more complementary to Yao's than TMac's is...
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    I mentioned this in a TMac trade thread a couple of weeks ago and the numbers do match up according to RealGM.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=110941&page=3&pp=20&highlight=rashard
    post 59

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showthread.php?t=109979&page=2&pp=20&highlight=rashard
    Post 34 is the RealGM breakdown.
     
  13. F.D. Khan

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    I think the idea that T-Mac cannot play the 2-guard is not valid. T-mac played the 2 in Toronto (Carter played the 3/2), and exclusively played the 2-guard with Mike Miller as the 3 in Orlando.

    He was brought into Orlando to play the 2, because a certain all-star (ahem Grant Hill) was a 3-spot and in no way could play the 2.

    Rashard is long and tall and gives us athleticism in the frontcourt, this is a priority because guys like Marion, Josh Howard and Ruben Patterson seem to prey on us.

    I think this will also make us a better rebounding and defensive team as T-mac can then guard the 2, and will be a better rebounder from the 2-spot.

    Rashard would also be able to adeptly play the Pick'n'roll/pop with Yao ming, and may (because of his height and shot) play it better than T-Mac.


    If Seattle simply wanted to trade him they could do much better than the Rockets draft pick and change, but the key is that Rashard must WANT/DEMAND to come to Houston and threaten he will not re-sign with the trading team. Then Seattle will not want to lose him for nothing.

    Swift+Head, Swift+Draft Pick or Draft Pick+Head is better than nothing and gives them options for the future. They could move Allen (At 6'7) to the three and have a good pick for center /pf if they keep Wilcox.

    This is all under the assumption that Rashard wants to play with two superstars at home and will take slightly less money. We never thought Stromile would take less, as did Dikembe, Barry and Derek Anderson. We were last year (and still are) a premier location and an up and coming team.

    I would feel bad about trading Stromile as he took much less to play here, though he has not performed up to par and may not get much value, but if its to bring the piece to get us a championship, then its worth it.

    I think the Head/Draft Pick + Change would work the best for Seattle:

    Ridnaur Watson
    Head Watson
    Allen / Wilcox
    Wilcox/ Fortson
    DRAFT / Reggie Evans

    With a nice set of big men in the draft, this will bring down payroll (Shultz is cheap!), and will set them up for their future. We, on the other hand will look like this:

    Yao/Deke/Lampe
    Howard/Stro/Rashard
    Rashard/ T-Mac
    T-Mac/Wesley
    Alston/ Wesley
    * If we re-sign Wesley and don't use our mid level exception on anyone else!
     
  14. einstein

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    um..... SH!+ yeah! i would do that trade in a nanosecond. I've always loved Ray Allen's game since he was a fish at UConn and Lewis is an Alief boy.
    but it will never happen.
     
  15. blahblehblah

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    Tmac cannot guard shooting guards. He is not Kobe, he does not have the same level of energy nor does he have the ability, stamina or energy to consistently stay in front of or chase after smaller & quicker shooting guards like, kobe, wade, redd, Allen, hamilton, manu, JRichardson, Joe johnson etc. At this stage in his carreer, Macgrady is much more suited to gaurd forwards who do less running through screens, are not as quick laterally and often time are not as big an offensive threat compared to shooting guards. In fact Tmac can still be a defensive stopper despite all the bad habits he picked up in Orlando, if he gaurds forward. First besides for Lebron no forward is quicker than tmac thus he would be able to stay in front of them much easier... Furthermore Macgrady is alot bigger than most of the shooting guards in the league and is about the size of all the fowards but with greater length and elevation... which probably explains why he does such a great job defending them.
    Tmac will never go back to shooting guard as it takes too much energy and effort, especially when he already can be counted on to lock down the 3 position on most nights without wearing himself out.
     
  16. jeremyang2002

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    Lewis is a big upgrade no question about it.

    The problem is how to get and what's position for him.

    He scores most of his points from outside for sure. Check his stats here:

    http://www.82games.com/0506/05SEA9A.HTM

    But we all know he is not happy of playing at Seattle and next year is his final contract year if he decides not to pick his player option after that.

    So technically it's possible but we may have to give up Swift/Head/1st round pick.
     
  17. blahblehblah

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    The T-mac in Toronto was a 20 yr old who had the energy to play non stop. Furthermore his role was as the primary defensive wing player getting 18 min 22 min and 30 min each season he was there, scoring 7, 9 and 15 points per season. Thats not quite the same as the T-mac now who plays 40mins a game and while scoring 25+ points a game handles the ballhandlng playmaking and pressures of leading the team.

    In Orlando, as Tracy's scoring and role increas so did his defensive effort. After his 3rd year there, it was Mike MIller often time who guarded the other teams shooting guard. Furthermore, Mcgrady in Houston is a different player than the one in Orlando. The one in the first 2-3 years attck the basket with much more frequency and was amazingly quick. The one the last year at Orlando was slowed by back pain and developed a greater reliance on the 3pointer and perimeter shots.

    Mcgrady is in his 9th going on his 10year coming back from back injuries, expecting him to be the same player he was physically when he was in Toronto or early in Orlando is unrealistic. Next year, Mcgrady will be what he's become, one of the best if not the best small forward in the league.
     
  18. tinman

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    yeah we need to actually put some of these Houston dudes in Houston.
    Maybe we can get Oakfor too.
     
  19. tinman

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    i like stromile. he started off bad, but with the right players around him, he can flourish.

    remember Boris Diaw sucked in Atlanta. But with Phoenix, he's flourished.
     
  20. ROXTXIA

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    What do we have that Seattle would want?

    The Sonics traded for Wilcox. They already have cap-busting Fortson. Therefore, they won't need Stromile Swift.

    The only way we land Rashard is if we trade T-Mac to, say, the Bulls, for their draft picks (the Bulls will have cap space) and send a pick to Seattle.

    So....can't say it's gonna happen.
     

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