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[RANT] The State of Texas Sucks for Home Refinancing

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Jeff, Mar 22, 2005.

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  1. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    Clutch,

    Many times when you purchase a home and go to the appraiser you can take the sales contract and they will lower the appraisal to that amount if you can prove the home wasn't sold under duress or is a family member, ect.

    Also, here is the tax bill that just past the Texas House and is going to the Senate and is expected to pass:

    Property Tax

    Reduces the maximum school property tax $1.00 per $100 of property value. Requires property purchasers to report the purchase price of property to appraisal districts, but these reports will be confidential and not subject to public scrutiny.
    Fifteen percent of future state excess revenues are dedicated to further buy downs of school property taxes.

    Sales Taxes

    The sales tax rate will be 7.25 percent. (but sales tax in TX will be an itemized deduction on our Fed1040, so at least we’ll get something back.
    The sales tax rate on cars, boats and motors will be 7.35 percent.
    An additional 3 percent sales tax will be levied on soft drinks and snack foods, including pastries, donuts, cakes, tortes, bars, cookies, candy, chips, popcorn, pretzels and roasted nuts. This tax is in addition to the 7.25 percent, but does not apply to such items when sold by a restaurant, lunch counter, cafeteria, hotel, or other business for consumption on the premises of the business. (I guess that diet is looking better and better!)
    Expands the sales tax base to include car repairs and washes, and bottled water. (Yuck.)
     
  2. RIET

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    What does that make Houston sales tax - almost 10%?? As far as sales tax being deductible, that's assuming you itemize.

    Texas has to be one of the most regressive tax states in the nation.

    I pity the poor in Texas, especially those with a fetish for tortes and roasted nuts.
     
  3. Jeff

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    I know. I'm locked in. :)
     
  4. Jeff

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    As an OPTION, yes. As your ONLY choice, absolutely not. If they want to give me the option of investing it myself, I'll take it. If they just say, "We're taking less and good luck," no thanks. There are far too many people that places at a significant disadvantage because of their lack of education. I like options, not requirements.
     
  5. Clutch

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    Exactly. From what I understand, Cy-Fair can afford to do this because HP is in the area ... or atleast they make a killing off of businesses, while Klein doesn't have as strong of a business presence. Something like 73% of their taxes come from residential.

    I'm partial to Klein because of their reputation, but from what I understand Cy-Fair's schools are as good (I'm sure this is something heavily debated in the area). That 15K flat or 20% thing is a huge difference though.

    Sounds to me then that in an area like Spring/Klein, homestead doesn't help a great deal. KISD takes just 15K off and the MUD taxes full appraisal. And those two items probably make up 70% of your property taxes. So, that pretty much blows.

    And so does that.

    Fed raises interest rates again
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    Rate-hike winners and losers
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  6. Clutch

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    Thanks for the heads up. That may be something I will end up doing, depending on the situation. In a lot of newer subdivisions, you are seeing some houses go for under appraisal because the appraisal is so high. On top of that, generally (again, from what I'm seeing), the tax rates are higher in the newer subs.

    Then you take a look at older subdivisions -- Champion Forest is a good example in the Spring area -- and you see lower tax rates and generally lower appraisals ... but the asking prices are significantly higher. Atleast that is the conclusion I'm drawing.

    When you are looking at homes in Houston, you almost can't say "X amount is what I can afford" for buying a house. Taxes play such a significant role because you see such big differences from one section to the next.

    What I understood that to mean is the maximum amount a school can charge is $1/$100 less, but what is the max. amount? I'm assuming this does not affect the bottom line of what schools are currently taxing (though I hope I'm wrong).
     
  7. Supermac34

    Supermac34 President, Von Wafer Fan Club

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    Sorry about that...wasn't very clear.

    The MAX that school tax can be will be $1 per $100. They are lowering it TO $1 not BY $1. They are making up the amount by raising sales tax.

    So 1% school tax is pretty good.

    A good rule of thumb for getting an idea of how desirable an area is looking at the appraised value compared to selling prices. In areas like Champions or Champions Forest, you have mostly older homes that were originally appraised low that are very desireable because of the location, schools, taxes, ect.

    I can tell you, the NW side of Houston around the Champions/Spring/Klein area is booming. Some of the reasons that the prices are getting so steep in the area is that there is just a lack of land to develop in the area that is affordable. 15 years ago, there were new neighborhoods were you could buy reasonable custom homes in the NW area, but now as developers pick the last remaining pockets of land up, they pay a premium and it gets passed to the builder and eventually the buyer.

    If you can find a reasonably priced home in the Champions Forest area that is in one of the premium neighborhoods, you'll make a killing on the back end as the area fills up to capacity and demand raises even more.

    It is a problem with MUD taxes in new neighborhoods. If they have to put in a new MUD, it has to be paid off, but old MUDs in older areas are already paid off. I guess the good news is that it does eventually drop if you move into a new MUD area.

    BTW: Almost any subdivision can have its own MUD and make a offer different exemptions for the homestead. Even subdivisions right next to each other...so you have to check to make sure which specific MUD is for each neighborhood. Windrose is different from Gleanloch which is different than Champions Forest which is different from Champions.

    BTW: I checked out a neat house on Jack Rabbit course of Champions golf club just lowered to $245K. Its BY FAR the cheapest house/lot I've seen ON THE COURSE. Might be a good investment to move in for 2 years and sell it to someone who will knock it down when you move out. After 2 years, any profit on your house is tax free up to 500K as long as it was your primary residence.
     
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    WOW... thanks for the info. If it passes, I wonder when this could take effect. I probably need to read up more on what I'm rooting for with regard to sales tax, but that is a tremendous help. I found a Houston Chronicle article on the story.

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3066294

    I should probably email you supermac... you gave a lot of good info about that area and that was a huge help. That is the exact problem I'm facing: Newer, more modern home/subdivision seems to be more attractive to us, especially in Houston, but the land size and taxes (and trees :)) are huge benefits in areas like Champions Forest.

    It's good to hear the area is doing well though. My past experience with the area was there were always places you could build, so property values remained fairly constant.
     

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