some guys top twenty SFs http://fantasyknuckleheads.com/fantasy-nba-power-rankings-small-forward-top-20/
I'm not sure where they all rank exactly. It pretty hard to be sure when you consider things like Scola's 22ppg 9rpg post-Landry averages as opposed to his full season stats and the fact that AB can be anything from top 10 to around 20 depending on matchups. All I can say is that I LOVE the fact that this team finally has the versatitlity to offer a potential offensive mismatch at 4 of our starting 5 positions, we feature 5 guys that can drop 25 points on any given night, and none of them are defensively inept (AB was really good at staying in front and cutting off driving lanes before he had to take on primary scoring reponsibilites, and Martin was a pleasant surprise compared to what I expected). Looking over the past few years in Rockets history, when guys like Battier, Alston, Juwan, Wesley, and Hayes were depended on as starters, that potential is just AWESOME. And then there's the freaking bench. October is too damn far away.
This tread is a bunch of loling People make evaluations based on offense, if this guy is better offensively then he is a better player, but then they critic when we don´t play D, hahah nice Sorry, Yao is not the best center in the NBA when healthy his he the most offensive skilled C, and a pleasure to watch??? Yes But D Howard is a monster, he lacks basic skill in post moves, but his physical presence changes the Game offensively, but specially on the defense end of the floor, with blocking and rebounding, plus the millions of shots he changes Is AB top 5 scoring PG on the league??? YES I am sorry, he is not top 10 PG in this league Does Ariza have top 20 SF offensive skill??? No, he lacks a basic fundamental, dribbling Overall is he a top 20 SF??? Yes KM, for me top 5 SG offensively, he is only top 10 in overall SG, just because he lacks defense, he will step up in this season, but right now, he is "only" top 10 Scola for he is hard to put a number, I compare him to WEST and LA, they both are more skilled, but because Scola is so so complete, and he is as efficient as those 2, for me he is at that level, top 10 I said before and I continue to say, these numbers have nothing to do with teams performance, I don´t care that Ariza lacks dribbling, he will not be asked to do that, I don´t care if AB doesn´t have court vision, he will not be asked to have the ball 100% of the time, and create plays from pure air And this is why Ricks system is so good, and our team consistently overachieves, he puts players in a situation were they can succeed using the strengths to benefit the team These evaluations are only important to see the overall player, specially the defense/offense player ability, without overrating neither one of those PeAcE
D.Howard has a horrible post game when compared to all time great Centers. In my opinion, the current NBA Centers are all pretty weak on the all time stage. but of course, that was not the question.
I think you're overrating Collison and underrating AB because the grass is always greener on the other side. Your opinion sucks.
People are crowning Collison already but until he gets significant starter minutes he's not top 10 material. And Tyreke is not a point guard. He plays shooting guard. Udrih starts at point. Tyreke just dominates the ball so much he might as well be a point. But he ain't.
Significant starter minutes? Post All-Star he averaged 40mpg for 29 games. 19ppg 8.7apg 3.3rpg 1.4spg 50%fg 45%3pt 85%ft. Thats not to mention the games he had before the All-Star Break that he performed extremely well in, especially for a rookie. Brooks is still better, but Collison is not far behind. Just wait until they find a trade for CP3.
I think it would be easier to compare these players in tiers. Numerical rank is too controversial and very difficult to gauge. For example: [SG] tier 1: Kobe, Wade tier 2: Roy, Johnson tier 3: Martin, etc...
That's a fantasy basketball ranking. In fantasy land, Aaron Brooks is a top 10PG. He's not. By my count he was #18 among starting PG's in PER this past year, plus he plays no defense. Also, that PER will likely go down next year as the ball/majority of offensive possessions are taken away from him. Among the starting PG's with better PER's, I'll take him over Lou Williams, Andre Miller, Baron Davis, and Mo Williams, so that does bump him up a bit, but then Jameer Nelson had a worse PER and I'd take Nelson over Brooks so that bumps him down one. LINK Kevin Martin was #8 among starting SG's in PER this year, and that stands to go waaay up given his history up to that season and the fact that he'll have a whole offseason to fit into this team and re-learn Adelman's system. I'd be disappointed if he puts up worse numbers than any SG not named Kobe, Wade, Roy, and Johnson. Ariza is gonna do his job, which is gonna be a lot less than what we asked him to do last year. His numbers will never be there, but he'll always bring it on defense and won't be a ballhog (look at what happened AFTER we got Martin, not before; then add Yao to the mix, and recall how he played with Kobe Pau Odom and Bynum around him). He's not an all-star SF but you're not going to convince me that he's worse than those second tier guys like Shawn Marion, Corey Maggette, Luol Deng, Mike Dunleavy, because he's not. He's better than those guys because of his defense and ability to fit into a role on a winning team. I've only got Lebron, Durant, Anthony, Granger, Wallace, and Gay as better. Scola was #16 in PER among starters last year, and his defense is nothing to write home about. I'm afraid this one might be a case of the home fans overrating him. Yes he's tough and he plays the right way and over the course of a whole season he's money because he never misses a game. Literally, never misses a game. But punctuality of course translates less well into playoff success. Factoring in all those things, I have him behind only Bosh, Dirk, Duncan, Pau, Amare, Boozer, Josh Smith, Love, Garnett, Aldridge and D. West, even though he's outperformed those last two guys on occasion. Yao's my #2C in the league if he's healthy. #1 if he shows he's healthy for a full year incl playoffs. So the final tally: PG - Brooks #15 SG - Martin #5 SF - Ariza #7 PF - Scola #12 C - Yao #2 And now you know why I'm not as much a fan of trading for Granger/Iguodala as I am for Paul/Nash.
Get back to me when Evans is as versatile at scoring from the floor as AB, hater. It's pretty obvious Evans is one dimensional at this time and AB is multi-dimensional at scoring.
lol i wonder what tim mccormick's shot charts looked like vs shaq's.....they would've most definitely proven tim was a more complete offensive player than the diesel :grin:
AB and Tyreke have similiar stats yet AB can score from all over. Purely from an offensive perspective you'd be a moron to not say Tyreke is a more complete player than AB (who is a one trick pony at this point). Your comparison makes no sense.
for all you guys that think Brooks isnt top 10 open your eyes here is the order of PGs in the league: PG: 1. Deron Williams 2. Chris Paul 3. Derrick Rose 4. Rajon Rondo 5. Russel Westbrook 6. Steve Nash 7. Aaron Brooks 8. Chauncy Billups 9. Tony Parker 10. Tyreke Evans 11. Brandon Jennings 12. Stephan Curry *John Wall is a rookie so he hasnt done anything yet
