[Random Trade] Unspectacular (But Possibly High Reward) T-Mac Trade

Forgive my ignorance since I am new, but what does this making a trade scenario do?

 

You make a good case, but I'd like to see the Rockets get a little more for McGrady, and I have confidence Morey can make that happen. McGrady's large, expiring contract is very valuable, and I think the player himself will still have a lot of value after he returns from injury. I think he'll make the Rockets better. Hinrich does have a lot of those qualities the Rockets like -- and it's those players who make the Rockets so much better than they appear -- but I'd like to see them get more of a scorer for McGrady, even if the player is more one-dimensional. The age factor is way overrated. Whoever they end up getting for McGrady doesn't have to be young, as long as he's a good fit, with the right skills and at least a few good years ahead of him.

 

lol we won't have a legitimate chance at signing LBJ. He is not coming here lol..

Anyway...I am not for this trade. To me it really don't fill any major weakness of this team. after this season, we need a scoring wing, a reliable scorer. I would look at trading shane.

 

It's hard to blame his "sudden" regression on Rose whenever his production began to slide well before Rose was even in the picture. Last year with Rose and Gordon hogging major minutes, it makes sense that a dual backcourt player like Hinrich would have to take a backseat to the better players. Okay. So why does he suck this year too? With Gordon out of the picture and Rose creating looks for him this should be his year to breakout and prove that he's worth all the money he's getting. I'm still waiting for him to prove he's capable of resurrecting his career and he's not off to a good start. You're going to kill me for saying this, but at this point how much better is Hinrich than a Charlie Bell type? Before you kill me, keep in mind that Bell makes less than half of what Hinrich makes. You're not going to like that comparison but Hinrich has done little to prove to me he's anything more than just an overpriced glue guy at this point.

I agree that the Kevin Martin "rumors" are almost certainly too good to be true. The idea that the Maloofs would fork over to us yet another big named star seems very unlikely given how badly we robbed them in the Artest trade. All the same, I try to remain optimistic and given that we haven't heard much on the trade front this season, it's kind of hard to not use the Kevin Martin example as a barometer for which to measure all the other trade propositions.

 

Who says Kirk Hinrich can shoot it all that well?

Kirk Hinrich/Rafer Alston career stats

MPG-34/29
PPG-14/10
APG-6/5
RPG-3/3

FG%-42/39
3-pt FG%-38/36

That is average at best, and not something I would want to pay nearly 30 million doll hairs for. And for the next 3 years! **** no!

 

You sir, are a genius.

 

I don't get it ... why does everybody wants to trade T-Mac? The team is doing well at this point without him and if he comes back 2 things that can happen: or we become even better with T-Mac or the team plays worser.

We should keep T-Mac and see what happens this season ... and by the way after this season we still have THE FA class of 2010!

 

Come on Bima, a random trade thread from you?

Back to topic, you want to trade Tmac, who could be the saviour of the team at best or a 23m expiring at worst for what?

An overpaid backup player, an overpaid end of bench player and quite possible a high 20s pick from a draft 3 years from now?

No matter how good kirk is, he will be the 3rd PG or the 2nd SG in the rotation. He will not start especially seeing how well AB and Lowry is playing.
He could get some minutes at the 2 spot, but that will only reduce playing time for Chase.

Jeffries who might crack the rotation? Well he is tall, and he plays a little defense. But can you see him in front of the glut of PFs? Can you see him taking minutes from battier/ariza/chase?

and a pick that is 3 years from now? Those type of picks is only gathered to sweeten the trade, not as the main component of the trade.

Rox did not improve this season, nor next season, nor the season after that. And all this just to get Tmac out?

My random ideas on Tmac? I'm not Morey, so i cant say, but if i have a try it be as below.

As some have said, GSW is looking for a trade partner, Sjax and Randolf. That certainly looks better Kirk and Jefferies. Sjax have a long contract, but its only 2 years longer than yaos. Then it be a bloated contract that is expiring. Randolf potential have already been discussed at other threads, so i will not do it here.

Another option would be Philly. That enormous contract of Elton Brand. He looks real bad in that philly jersey. Especially after surgery. He just did not fit that system. But could he do better here? And maybe rox could take Acic Low as well.

Memphis anyone? I take Randolf. This time for his huge contract(17m) that comes off along with Yao. And say what you want. 19ppg and 10rpg is not something to laugh at. Defensive wise, its not that huge of a drop off from Scola, Landry and Anderson.

 

Nets: McGrady + Landry + Taylor + Cook + rights to Eliyahu + $3M
Rockets: Lopez + expiring filler (Simmons + Battie + Hassell)

*Nets are around $12M under the tax
*Rockets cut team salary by $5.6M to get under the tax

A frontcourt consisting of Yao, Lopez, and Scola would be the deepest/best frontcourt in the league? Provided Yao can make it back of course.

In 2010 FA Nets potentially have around $33M of cap space:

Harris
Lee, Taylor
T.Williams, (McGrady or $13M free agent)
LeBron, Landry
Yi

That's a very enticing group of players the Nets's russian billionaire owner and Jay-Z can sell as teammates to LeBron.

 

McGrady is going to comeback. I'm just not a believer that he'll get the Rockets anywhere.

For the Nets he's another chip to lure LeBron or even Wade or Bosh. They can GUARANTEE to those guys that they'll be able to sign another big name whether it's McGrady or not.

 

i think it really depends on how tracy plays this year. if he plays well, you're most likely right. if he plays average, there's nothing he can do but take a significant pay cut, or retire.

 

Nets can renounce McGrady, sign a $20M player, and still have slightly more cap room than Chicago (4th in teams with most cap space).

 

living in new york and attending many knicks games, I can say without any hesitation that jared jefferies sucks. i know i'm not going out on a limb, but come on! the guy is softer than mo taylor...

 

if we do this trade, we probably wont be able to resign Scola and Lowry, correct?

I personally love the financial flexibility we have after the 2010-2011 season, which is when we can swoop in and pick up whoever is available at the time.

 

I completely agree that Hinrich would be a great addition to the Rockets. Hinrich would provide versatility, defense, size, 3 pt shooting and vet presence to the front court positions. Also, Hinrich adds flexibility when Lowry becomes a free agent.

I like Jeffries too, but not enough to give up McGrady's huge expiring. While McGrady's expiring likely does not allow Houston to be a big player in the 2010 superstar lottery (unless either Yao or Scola are not re-signed). The alternative is to go out and get young players who would fit Morey's intangibles criteria as well as Adelman's system.

Rockets trade:
*McGrady
*Dorsey
*JTaylor
*Rights to Eliyahu

Bulls trade:
*Hinrich
*Deng
*Noah

Chicago immediately clears enough cap space to get a max player to pair off w/Rose and Salmons. Note: Bulls might also insist that Carl Landry for Tyrus Thomas be included in the deal. Love Landry but not so much as to nix this deal. Houston adds a legit 7 footer who can run the floor, play above the rim, handle the ball, add energy & enthusiasm to both the 4 and 5 positions. Deng can be used as trade bait later on, or implemented in Adelman's offense (Deng is a good ball handler, creator, defender, rebounder) and another 3 is traded (Battier? Guy is the heart and soul of the team but is getting older and has a lot of trade interest_would never have thought of trading him before). And Bima has superbly explained Hinrich's fit for the Rockets.