[Random Trade] Unspectacular (But Possibly High Reward) T-Mac Trade

Don't you think there is a reason the coach is keeping this super talented kid on the bench?

Also, do you follow GS fans? I don't so I don't know how they feel about Randolph but based on the two times I saw him live and up close I suspect they don't have a positive view of the kid. You can't appreciate it when he is on TV but up close, if you pay attention to him, you'll swear you are about to witness a train wreck. Maybe it will never happen but I don't want him in Houston to find out.

 

We're talking about Don Nelson. There's maybe a 50/50 chance there is a sound reason behind his decision.

 

LMAO...I almost put in parenthesis "even Don Nelson" in that post. Still, I think the kid has mental deficiencies. I don't want him here.

Sorry to derail the thread, Bima. I know this was about Chicago and not GS.

 

Dave78, I really didn't like randolph coming out, but watching the kid, he's going to be a pretty good player. Of course he has some maturity issue, he's 20, but he competes, has a high skill level, and cares. Nelson has used his ghetto pass to the fullest after beating dallas, but he's wasting talent. To me, randolph makes more sense than scola going forward. That's the kind of dude that would be great to build with araza and brooks along with yao. To me, that's a guy the rox should really try to get.

 

I really don't like the trade at all, and I'm a Hinrich fan.

It's basically a straight up swap of Tmac for Kirk. The pick is a small consideration at this point and Jared is a huge pile of nothing.

I'd prefer to get something a little more enticing to go along with Kirk. Either an upgrade somewhere else or a serviceable center.

 

Moes, I only bring up camby because we could use a upgrade at the center for hayes and have him back camby and I would like to see chase play about 30 mins a night. We need a center and flexibility and they have 3 with camby expiring.

Bima, I agree with a lot of what u say, but we can all assume the mindset of what management thinks about tracy. I like hinrich, but for 9m and on the bench, not so much. You also assume the knicks will give up that pick. They oprate very different with walsh than with thomas. They haven't given a mle deal out nor have they signed lee or robinson to long term deals. I agree they've painted themselves in a corner, but it looks like they're adding young talent role guys that will help with the attraction of a free agent. I think they're going to end up with joe johnson.

 

Here's something I think might work..

Knicks get the cap room they need. Kings dump 2 longer term contracts and get an expiring and a guy with 1 more year left. Rockets get Kevin Martin, and a shorter contract than Nocioni's coming back.

 

I'd be all for it but why would the Kings do it? They just traded their best player but didn't even get a real expiring, they're still paying someone money. I doubt JT would be a good inducement, what about if we add Landry/Scola or Lowry to the deal?

 

What is it with Heinrich ? What has he ever done that so many people on this board love him ? He Sucks plain and simple !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

i live in SF so i'm surrounded by rabid GSW fans. most of them want nelson to retire simply for the fact that he doesn't play randolph. GSW fans love randolph and they want to build around the guy. nelson doesn't.

 

People forgot how nelson ran webber out of town. I really like Randolph as a building block. He still needs to fill out some, but I like his skillset. I'd offer scola for randoplh and see what happens.

 

Of course you would.



DD

 

I think Morey will beat that deal! That proposed deal seems lousy.

 

C'mon Bima we can do better.

I mean Kirk is good but do we really need him and his 9 mils per year salary when we have a great combo of Brooks/Lowry?

A 2012 pick is meaningless, the Knicks might be good by then.

I'd like Morey to get Kevin Martin when the price is right, e.g. McGrady and Taylor for Martin, Nocioni and Rahim.

If the Grizzlies don't want to pay Rudy Gay his 50 mils, we can always propose this:
Battier, Cook and the 2010 first round pick (top 8 protected) for Gay and Jaric.

 

Incoming Players
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
10.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.1 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
1.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.3 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
30.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 41.7 minutes
Outgoing Players
Chase Budinger
6-7 SF from Arizona
10.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.1 minutes
Carl Landry
6-8 PF from Purdue
14.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.1 minutes
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -17.4 ppg, -4.2 rpg, and -2.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Chase Budinger
6-7 SF from Arizona
10.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 1.2 apg in 17.1 minutes
Carl Landry
6-8 PF from Purdue
14.3 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 25.1 minutes
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
No games yet played in 2009-2010
Outgoing Players
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
10.4 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.0 apg in 24.1 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
1.3 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 12.3 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
30.6 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.6 apg in 41.7 minutes

add a 2011 first round pick from rockets to kings.


2010/2011 rotation:

PF - Scola

SF - Ariza

C - Yao

SG - Martin

PG - Brooks

Bench:

PG - Lowry

SG/SF - Battier

SF/PF - Nocioni

PF/C - Hayes

C - Anderson

 

Rockets: Dunleavy + Foster + Diener + Head (non-guaranteed) + unprotected 2010 1st round pick
Pacers: McGrady + Taylor (min excptn) + 2011 1st round pick

*Should Yao succumb to another season ending injury... Yao, Battier, Dunleavy, Foster are all off the books for 2011 FA.

* Budinger's style of play/performance so far is backing up my belief that Dunleavy can succesfully carry over from the Pacers motion to Adelman's system.

*With or without Yao in 2011, Budinger can succeed Dunleavy on the team. Just like Sr it's two seasons as a Rocket for Jr. Sr made it to the finals in that time. Hopefully history repeats.

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Rockets: rights to Rubio + Blount + Wilkins + Cardinal (all three expiring contracts)
T-Wolves: McGrady + Taylor (min excptn) + Pops (non-guaranteed, min excptn)

* http://blogs2.startribune.com/blogs...vs-warriors-146-105-loss-is-seventh-straight/

Kahn needs to do something. 7 losses on the trot. He can't sell only Jonny Flynn the entire season.

 

Yes we can.

In Morey we trust.

Trade Shane Battier for Rudy Gay please.

 

Bima,

You and I have gone back and forth on Hinrich before. Your points are well argued but I still have a problem with this idea (even if we're not giving up Brooks like we originally discussed). He seems to be regressing as a player. Yeah, he would probably start here but still....his seemingly declining play is definitely not making a believer out of me.

Hinrich missed his "opportunity" in Houston. He's a JVG type player if there ever was one -- basically the backcourt version of Shane Battier. And hell, Hinrich was even still a productive basketball player while JVG was coaching here. That, IMO, would have been the time to experiment with Hinrich in the picture. Now? Not so much. I know there's the 2012 draft pick involved but I expect better return on T-Mac's massive contract than a fringe starter. I might be being a bit too greedy, but I can't go from Kevin Martin "rumors" in one thread to settling for Kirk Hinrich in another. That's like thinking you won the Powerball and then finding a $20 bill in your jeans pocket later that night instead.