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[Random Trade] Unspectacular (But Possibly High Reward) T-Mac Trade

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Nov 10, 2009.

  1. BimaThug

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    Assuming that (1) the Rockets will be unable to open up enough cap room to sign a top-tier free agent this summer without gutting their core, (2) the Rockets want to keep their core together for the most part, (3) Morey is looking for players with particular skill sets moreso than just "big names", (4) other teams aren't banging down Morey's door offering superstars for T-Mac's contract, and (5) Tracy McGrady is definitely not going to be a Houston Rocket next season (which I still don't think is a given), THEN . . . the following trade might actually make sense for all of the teams involved:

    Houston receives: Kirk Hinrich, Jared Jeffries and Knicks' 2012 first round pick (limited protection)
    New York receives: Tracy McGrady, Jerome James and Joey Dorsey
    Chicago receives: Al Harrington and Cuttino Mobley

    WHY NEW YORK DOES THIS DEAL:

    The Knicks are DESPERATE to open up enough cap room to offer two max contracts to free agents. They view this as one of the keys to having a legit shot at Lebron James. Without it, Lebron is not likely to want to play with the current Knicks roster. The two biggest impediments to this goal are the contracts of Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries. The Knicks realize that they are going to have to pay a hefty price to any team willing to take on either of those contracts. Hence, the 2012 first rounder with limited protection (possibly top 8 protected in 2012, top 3 protected in 2013, and unprotected in 2014?). Since they have already traded their 2010 pick (the Jazz hold it) and cannot trade first round picks in consecutive years, the 2012 pick is the earliest available pick for them to trade. The Knicks get to dump Jeffries on the Rockets. They lose a good player in Al Harrington, but one who has already been benched in favor of the promising Danilo Gallinari and who was not expected to be re-signed next summer. Cuttino Mobley's contract would be included both to match salaries and for the financial benefits of having insurance picking up most of the tab on it.

    In return, New York receives Tracy McGrady, a marquee player who will likely spark a lot of interest nationally. Donnie Walsh would have the luxury of seeing how T-Mac plays over the rest of this (contract) year and can make the decision next summer to either (a) renounce the Knicks' rights to him and open up a ton of cap room or (b) keep him around, hoping to pair him with Lebron or Wade or Bosh (depending on whether they can re-sign Tracy at the right price). The Knicks would have to take on the albatross (but expiring) contract of Jerome James (say hello again to the stiff that Isiah signed to a full MLE deal!) as well as (the disappointing) Joey Dorsey, whose contract is apparently fully unguaranteed for next season.

    WHY CHICAGO DOES THIS DEAL:

    Much like the Knicks, the Chicago Bulls are ALMOST in a position to make a major splash in free agency. Unlike New York, the Bulls actually offer a nice supporting cast and a star (Derrick Rose) that would be appealing to a guy like Dwyane Wade. But they just don't have quite enough cap room. If they are able to "dump" Kirk Hinrich's contract (which is actually a tough call for the Bulls, since Hinrich is pretty valuable to their team), they'd be in a position to make a legit play for Wade, Lebron or (most likely) Bosh.

    In return for dumping some large contracts, the Bulls would receive Al Harrington, an expiring contract who can also add some much-needed frontcourt scoring to the Bulls' lineup. And despite taking on a little more salary in this deal, Chicago might actually come out ahead overall financially, with insurance picking up most of the tab on Mobley's contract (also expiring).

    WHY HOUSTON DOES THIS DEAL:

    First, what they lose: a highly-paid malcontent (remember, we are assuming that the Rockets have no interest in bringing back McGrady, something with which I do not totally agree) and a disappointing (not-so-) young player in Dorsey who would likely be waived if this trade were made anyway in order to bring the Rockets back down to 15 players. (NOTE: The Rockets would receive a small trade exception for Dorsey, who technically would be dealt in a separate trade with New York.)

    Now, what they get: to start off, Les Alexander will save a TON of money with this trade. When you combine the excess salary being dumped on New York versus the salaries coming back, along with the resulting complete avoidance of the luxury tax this year, along with the addition of shared luxury tax revenues that he'd receive, Les should come out ahead by at least $15 million. In today's economy, that's nothing to laugh at.

    Okay, now the player side. At first glance, the package of Hinrich, Jeffries and a pick for Tracy McGrady probably strikes most of you as a rather unappealing offering. But take a closer look. Forget their contracts for a moment (again, we're assuming that the Rockets wouldn't have the requisite cap room to bring in a major player, anyway). Just take a look at the types of players they are. Hinrich much, much moreso than Jeffries.

    I'll just say it: Kirk Hinrich is the perfect player for this Houston Rockets team. He is a good shooter with 3-point range. He is a very good defender. He is capable of defending multiple positions. He is unselfish. He is tough. He is able to play in a fast-paced style or in a half-court offense. Basically, he is the epitome of what Rick Adelman is looking for in a player.

    Hinrich could be plugged in nicely as the starting SG next to Aaron Brooks or as the primary guard off the bench. At 6-3, Kirk is capable of defending shooting guards and even small forwards (some of you may recall the good defense he played on SF Paul Pierce in that epic seven-game series with the Celtics last season). With his ability to play the point on offense, it would free up Brooks to focus more on scoring. Hinrich can also act as a spot-up shooter when Brooks is dominating the ball, penetrating and dishing. Kirk's defense is the key, since (as good a defender as Lowry is) a Brooks-Lowry backcourt is simply too undersized to be effective for more than short spurts.

    For all those opposed to the "rumored" trade for Kevin Martin (a 25+ ppg scorer) based on Martin's apparent lack of defense, why should it be so hard for you to like a trade for a MUCH better defender who makes a couple million less than Martin? Sure, Hinrich is overpaid ($9.5M this season), but his salary actually goes DOWN every year. He'll make $9M next season, and "only" $8M in 2011-12. Frankly, for what he can bring to a team, $8M is probably close to his true value. Think Battier and his $7.4M salary slot for next season.

    Jared Jeffries, for as bad as his contract is, is a good defensive player and might actually crack Adelman's rotation. At 6-11, he's taller and longer than any of the active Rockets players. He can play and defend multiple positions (small forward, power forward and center). He's not much of a scoring threat, but neither is Chuck Hayes, who gets minutes on this team due to his defensive versatility. Basically, Jeffries is a decent NBA player. It's just that his contract has overshadowed his abilities, much like what happened to Juwan Howard after he signed his $100M+ contract.

    The pick would be the real cincher for this deal. Sure, the Knicks probably won't agree to such limited protection on that pick, since Donnie Walsh knows full well that he might not land a superstar this summer to lead his team out of the cellar. But I bet he'd be willing to part with that pick if it had the right amount of protection. In the end, the Rockets could expect something along the lines of a late lottery pick, whenever it came due. Sure, it may not be received until 2014 or beyond, but do you think the Utah Jazz are complaining that they're only now getting a pick that was originally owed back in 2004?

    Bottom line: As advertised, this trade would be rather unspectacular to most Rockets fans. Many would respond with outrage, even. But, based on the assumptions above (PLEASE don't attack this post based on different assumptions - I know that this trade might not be as palatable under different assumptions), I think the Rockets would be hard-pressed to do much better for T-Mac than a key starter, a role player capable of cracking the rotation, and a future lottery pick. And remember, the Rockets will be able to use both the MLE and the LLE to pick up quality free agents next season. With the $15M+ that Les saves with this trade, combined with the insurance payments on Yao's contract, he may be willing to go well into luxury tax territory to contend. And with the additions of Yao Ming, Kirk Hinrich and another "Trevor Ariza-caliber" addition with the MLE, the Rockets should be ready to do just that.
     
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  2. Xsatyr

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    Yeah that is so much better than letting Tmac's contract expire...
     
  3. Prince

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    c'mon. let's not settle for less. let's plan for either LJ.
     
  4. Prince

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    or another superstar.
     
  5. RudyTBag

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    Ouch. Good post, but I think we need to get more youth out of this deal. We can't expect Yao to come back and stay healthy. I think we would be better served in taking another expiring plus a young talent that will help us down the road, which would prepare us for life without Yao.

    Anthony Randolph, Brandan Wright, JJ Hickson, Michael Beasley, (Tyrus Thomas)?

    I think we need to add as many young players as possible, so they can learn how to play the game under Shane, Chuck and Luis. Our guys can still really make an impression on some of these younger player's habits, and turn the guys I mentioned into self made stars.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    i don't think any team is willing to give us any young prospects like those you mentioned (esp. randolph and beasley).

    but you're right in that we need to get younger, faster, and more athletic. this team is ready to blossom into a new era.
     
  7. HowsMyDriving

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    i dont mind it, but honestly i'd rather let tracy expire and hand morey the cap room to see what he does.

    i just dont think you need a kirk hinrich on this team. you already have capable ballhandlers. he's not a bad addition, but at his salary i don't know if i want him over the cap space he would eat up.

    its better than most of the tmac trades though. at least you thought things through and came up with something plausible (from a rockets perspective, i cant speak to the rest of it).
     
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    When McGrady's contract expires, it's gone. Without losing assets to do so, the Rockets cannot sign a replacement over the MLE commodity in the following FA.
     
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    I'd like this deal if the pick wasn't that far off in the future. I mean, 2012! Yao's feet might not hold up that long.

    And here is the most important thing: The Knicks might be good by that time (IF they could sign one of the big FAs in 2010) and a Knicks 1st rounder might not be very much by then. We are still left with no marquee player aside from an aging Yao.
     
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    i like the idea...but i don't see jeffries carcking the rotation, at least not for signicant minutes, he's still ot playing over scola, landry, and yao. Maybe not even chuck. And we still wouldn't have a perimeter player capable of making a move in crunch time and getting a good shot off. I think Aaron is too small to do it consistently and hinrich isn't that kidn of offensive player
     
  11. napalm06

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    lol random trade threads.

    ... and Hinrich.

    Eventually we'll work our way back around to Bosh and Sessions.
     
  12. jump shooter

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    Hinrich is one of the most overrated and overpaid players in the league.
     
  13. FLASH21

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    Bima - I was actually meaning to ask you about the news of McGrady announcing his soon to be return to the hardwood, does him getting paid for his contract have anything to do with it?

    Or the insurance the Rockets will/have been getting for him?

    Thought maybe you would know since you're our numbers wiz. ;)

    Thanks in advance, if you reply.
     
  14. RudyTBag

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    Yeah, I think so too. Frankly, I think Rocket fans are ready for it. We will give Yao one more shot at getting healthy, but I would not be too down If we just decided to move on. I would like to get a younger guy like those I mentioned because they are still young enough to really BE "Rockets" If you know what I mean. DM, Rick, and the players have built the perfect enviroment to farm potential and build young stars.
     
  15. BimaThug

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    And then what??? I stated at the outset that this entire trade is based on the assumption that the Rockets wanted to keep the core together rather than to gut the team for the CHANCE at a free agent.

    I even said PLEASE in all capital letters at the end regarding people bashing this trade based on different assumptions. You, obviously, are making different assumptions.

    (By the way, I'm not saying that your proposal is not valid. I'm just defending the fact that I proposed this trade under certain circumstances that are quite different than those that you are presupposing.)

    See my response above.

    Fair enough. But I am basing all of this on the assumption that Morey will not be using the cap room. Take another look at the first paragraph of the OP.

    True, that is a risk. Hey, 2012 is the earliest Knicks pick available, and the Knicks are the only team desperate enough to trade a potential lottery pick for cap room. Also, I personally think that the Knicks will be left at the altar this summer no matter what. Lebron will stay in Cleveland. Wade will stay in Miami. Bosh MIGHT go to Chicago or Miami, not New York, but most likely will stay in Toronto. Money talks, and their respective current teams can offer a LOT more money.
     
  16. Jeff Who

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    I'd like to see McGrady and Harrington together, though.
     
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    I was so excited to see a thread from you and then I read your post.. Count me as one of the CFans that would be underwhelmed by this deal. I appreciate your well thought out approach, but I would rather take my chances with giving Morey full reigns with T-Mac's expiring.
     
  18. Big MAK

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    I know, never understood this boards' obsession with Hinrich...

    At least Bosh is good, and a potentia FA.
     
  19. pmac

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    I think this is a much better trade than the other proposed deal, I think Kirk Hinrich alone is a better player than Kevin Martin, a better fit even. He can score, he can pass, he can defend multiple positions, and will add the intangibles that makes this team special. Martin will score and score efficiently, but that's it.

    This looks more like a Morey type of deal but I don't see the Knicks adding the 1st round pick even if it is in 2012.
     
  20. RudyTBag

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    If we do a trade with the Knicks, let's hope that Wilson Chandler and Jordan Hill are the guys that would be returning in Rockets Red...
     

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