Exactly. Also his salary is not just decreasing. The cap is also increasing. If his current play level maintains he will most definitely be a positive asset.
I’m sorry guys, but anyone that thinks Brooks is a positive asset is delusional or has a completely different definition of “positive asset” than I do. A positive return (to me) would be either a $20M expiring contract, a future FRP (or multiple seconds), or a combination of both. Can we see a trade proposal to represent this that doesn’t get laughed out of the room?
Well… when I say positive it’s the same as me saying the number 0.000001 is positive. Next season he will be a small % of the cap. His last year on the contract he will be extremely small. At some point in his contract this year or next likely he will be a bench player and should make his play even more of a positive impact playing against other bench players.
So I'm pretty sure those guys' average salary is around $20m right? Edit: checked and - amazingly - their average salary is exactly Brooks' salary. So how can you think he's overpaid? Especially given all their contracts are rising while his is declining.
That's not really relevant (what me or you would do). We're talking about the market price and we're talking about a return of single non-lotto first round pick and expiring contract. Something like pick 22 and an expiring. What's relevant is the the tier right above them (OG, Bridges, all NBA defense first team types) are worth multiple first round picks and $30-40m per season. People are insinuating the Brooks tier will only get you a second rounder when he's fairly paid. That's just irrational. The tier below them are literally neutral because they are league average or MLE. Those guys if not overpaid relative to their peers won't cost you or earn you a pick. Here we're probably talking second rounders. Guys, this dude has been the primary wing defender of something like 6 championship level defenses. At some point you have to open your eyes to new information. He's earned it.
I think he's around neutral salary. Maybe slightly negative right now, maybe not. I think next year he'll be a positive value such that it is probably better to hold onto him for at least a year (i.e., the salary doesn't impact the Rockets). I think he's on the type of contract that if you had to move in a hurry, would likely have to be dealt with assets as it would take time to find a team that needs his exact contract with the right matching salary to get him (i.e., I think the contract is reasonable, but having the years without team options limits the liquidity of his contract). Granted, I worry that he'll be like he was at the end of the year. I hope he'll be closer to what he was at the start of the season.
Doesn't make sense dude. If you're not overpaid and making $22m then you're not neutral. Neutral would be around $12m. Also GM's look at present value. Both sides know the contract is increasing in value and factor it into the trade. No need to wait. If you're not familiar with that stuff, it's like getting paid more for your property now because the buyer knows for sure the value is going up in the future. It just gets calculated into the formula at a slight discount. The difference between this season and next season is just 1 million. Contenders are over the cap, this is such a meaningless difference for them. He's perfectly paid for what he does as you demonstrated with your list of players. The 25th pick in a draft is not worth what you're making it out to be.
I think the 31 pick in any draft has higher value than mid to late 20’s. Basically same tier play on a more team friendly contract usually with no player guarantees. Also being so close to being a FRP and not achieving it motivates players most of the time.
Exactly. Those picks in the 24-30 range are basically flyers people can take on grabbing someone a GM has a good gut feeling about. Someone they're worried will be snatched up by pick #31 for example. To think a contender is holding on to that pick when their starting SF is a vet minimum signing is ridiculous. I think people don't understand the proportional value of defense to offense. They think a person who can do nothing but make kick out 3's can't possibly deliver overall strong net impact vs their peer group. That's a myth obviously.
never get off the first round pick bandwagon trade for them 7 years in the future and hold them unless tatum or luka is coming
Not after seeing how both can possibly contribute to a contending team. I would consider both to be top tier role players.
I was going to float this ideas as well... I just think the Pellies would hold out to see if there is a better deal from someone like MIL, CLE, BKN, WSH, LAL, GSW, or POR. I think MIL, WSH, or POR can make better offers. But you never know....
I’d do this for sure. I’m just not sure the Pelicans would bite. It is rumored the Jazz are interested in Ingram, and I’d assume Kessler would be involved in such a deal. If this is true, we would have to potentially overpay, because the Pelicans desperately need a young center.
Rockets In : Terence Mann, Bones Hyland, Norm Powell and 1st rd pick. Rockets Out : Jalen Green, Jeff Green , Tate Rockets send Green to Clippers to reunite with Porter, and be the new franchise player once Harden and Leonard move on. Rockets get better vets to surround Sengun , and give Whitmore more playing time.
Brooks to Toronto for Bruce Brown? Maybe throw in a 2nd to grease the wheels? I could see that happening at the deadline depending on how Tari/Amen/Cam are playing.
I don’t see those Phoenix picks getting broken up. They will be used as leverage against Phoenix until the last possible minute, especially the picks further out. Even with a down year, Phoenix’s 2025 pick should be outside the lottery. ‘27 and ‘29 hold the most value.
