He is more a salary now. Maybe he may be able to pass on some wisdom to the next generation. He is needed as a salary filler to move on from Wall. Rubio is the other half of salary needed to move. Rubio expiring contract is of value. Breaking down Wall’s contract into smaller pieces and places were the TEAM can grow is the goal of the trade not the return of the players.
I would do the Wall trade. The Rockets need to trade for Simmons like yesterday. Starting him at PF next to Wood would be perfect. Bring Theiss off the bench with Sengun, Garuba, EG and Christopher.
This works... not sure if i do it... To Sacramento Ben Simmons Seth Curry To Houston Tobias Harris Buddy Hield To Sixers John Wall Harrison Barnes Danuel House #1 from Sacramento #1 from Houston 76ers get less because they are offloading 2 bad contracts and taking back less bad ones. PG Porter / Gordon / Thomas SG Green / Hield / Christopher SF Harris / Tate PF Wood / Martin / Garupa C Theis / Sengun I would like Hield's elite shooting off the bench to replace Eric Gordon as a 6th man. Not crazy about Harris but probably no worse than Wall... longer deal, less money per, better current player with more helpful skillset... This would push the cap space back after rfa for Porter so I'm leaning no, but i would think that's a better team... maybe if gordon and harris could get moved for expiring...
76ers want MORE 3ball shooting around Embiid, not LESS. This trade just diverted THREE of best 3ball shooters AWAY from PHI: Hield, Tobias, Seth And really got jack in return - team actually gets worse. And per Rich Paul, Maxey needs to be traded away as well.
There is a price to pay for cap flexibility... Wall is ok if he's the only non shooter... he also needs to know he's low priority for shots... Barnes is a solid player similar to Danny Green or Ariza.... Not saying they do it. I don't think Houston would do it... but it does work as a trade of trash for trash...
I think I posted something like this earlier, but another version of your trade idea.... but if (1) Simmons set on Cali team (GSW or SAC) + (2) Rox can get in on the deal.... I could see the following: SAC - PHI - HOU SAC Ben Simmons Tyus Maxey Danuel House Kings acquire Simmons because... Kingz? Maxey & House give Sac some more defensive chops PHI Buddy Hield Eric Gordon 2022 SAC (top 5 protected) 2024 SAC (lottery protected) right to swap picks with SAC in 2023 2023 BRK pick (top 5 protected) via HOU Sixers get shooters to surround Embiid as well as ammo to try to acquire Damian Lilllard HOU Marvin Bagley III Houston gets younger and gains size in front court. Gordon's salary (& House's) can be allocated to extend Bagley - if he performs up to expectations. The 2023 pick doesn't do much for Houston, (still have MIL & own) but will add to Philly's draft pick war chest.
So basically Gordon, House, and a late 1 to take a flier on Bagley... Not horrible except if he's bad you wasted assets and development minutes for Sengun and Garupa. If he's good then you're paying him a lot right away and possibly taking yourself out of free agency when Wall is gone.... Low cost gamble though...
Rockets in: Andrew Wiggins Rockets out: Gordon, House, Augustine ----- Warriors in: Myles Turner, Danuel House Warriors out: Wiggins, Wiseman ----- Raptors in: Wiseman, Gordon, Justin Holiday, 2022 FRP via Pacers, 2025 FRP via Pacers Raptors out: Pascal Siakam ----- Pacers in: Augustine, Siakam Pacers out: Myles Turner, Justin Holiday. 2022 FRP, 2025 FRP ----- ++Warriors++ Save $19.3m off their cap which should theoretically cut their luxary tax bill in half. Get a better, proven, big man fit as opposed to Wiseman. Lose Wiggins but get another capable wing in House, still hold onto Kuminga. ++Rockets++ Gets a young wing who fits their timeline. Yes. Thats what im calling it now to make it easier for people. The Rockets dont want a whole lot of 19 years olds. They have more than enough. Wiggins is the same age as Wood. And represents that young vet mould. ++Raptors++ Get a haul for Pascal. Have to put up with Gordons contract, but with him, Dragic and Precious coming off the bench, they could have the best 2nd unit in the league. Wiseman can help grow with Barnes. Spacing will be an issue. Hopefully between FVV, GTJ and OG it will be enough to have two non shooters on the court. ++Pacers++ Get a much better fit next to Sabonis and set their sights on competing in the playoffs this season. Could have the most well rounded starting line up in the league (Brodgon/Lavert/Warren/Siakam/Sabonis).
There is a lot going on in this trade. I just focused on the Rockets part, 3 for 1 and taking on a larger salary. I don’t hate it but we get a lot of production with Tate & Martin for less than a fraction of the cost. Wiggins is not bad but grossly overpriced. I would want competition for taking on his contract.
Since Nets are likely acquiring 2 vets (Millsap, Aldridge) and need to open space + dump DeAndre Jordan's contract HOU - DAL - BRK DAL DeAndre Jordan (BRK) into Mavs TPE + 2024 HOU SRP (protected 31 - 45) Mark Cuban finally gets Jordan in Dallas plus DJ helps Mavs' playoff push BRK: Danuel House (HOU) Nets open up roster spots for newly signed vets plus cuts its tax bill (shed almost $40M if spotrac is correct) HOU: Alize Johnson (BRK) fits into TPE Good player on a cheap contract for the cost of House & a SRP? Yes, please! Check out his per 36 (TWSS). He plays defense, but needs to work n his 3 ball. https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsal02.html
Houston Rockets Trade Breakdown Change in Team Outlook: 0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, and 0.0 apg. Incoming Players Joe Harris 29 year old, 6-6, 220 lb SG from Virginia No games yet played in 2021-2022 DeAndre Jordan 33 year old, 6-11, 265 lb C from Texas A&M No games yet played in 2021-2022 Day'Ron Sharpe 19 year old, 6-11, 265 lb PF from North Carolina No games yet played in 2021-2022 Outgoing Players Eric Gordon 32 year old, 6-4, 215 lb G from Indiana No games yet played in 2021-2022 D.J. Augustin 33 year old, 6-0, 183 lb G from Texas No games yet played in 2021-2022 Danuel House 28 year old, 6-7, 215 lb F from Texas A&M No games yet played in 2021-2022
Danuel House, Eric Gordon and a first round pick for Marvin Bagley?? F' no. Why would anyone do that. The only value you get in that trade is getting off Gordon's contract. But if Gordon performs halfway decent and stays healthy, some playoff team will absolutely give you a first for him come trade deadline time. Team's ALWAYS want more 3 point shooting and ballhandling in those spots (not that EG is amazing at either, but when he is on, he almost is).
So Houston trades Wall, House and a first for Tobias Harris and Buddy Hield? I mean... I'd MAYBE do that, BUT ONLY because I think you can then move both of those guys and get even more value. Depends on the protection on the pick - if it was lotto protected, than yes. Maybe not Tobias though - he does have a big contract the next 3 years, but increasingly less big as other players get paid and the length of his is lowered. Next offseason it will only be 2 years left for example. That said, there's ZERO chance Philly does this. Simmons, Harris and Curry for Wall, Barnes, House, a decent pick from Sacramento (probably top 3 protected though) and a Houston pick (lotto protected). That ain't happening. As much as people want to **** all over the 76ers and Ben Simmons now, they were the best record in the Eastern Conference and 3rd best overall last season. A straight-up trade Simmons for CJ McCollum would be better for them than this package. [sidebar, a Blazers lineup of Dame, Simmons, Covington, Nance and Nurkic is hilarious to think about]. Also, dude has some mental issues I guess, and of course is bad defensively, but Buddy Hield can be underrated offensively. Some package that is basically Hield plus picks would be better than what you proposed for Philly. I bet the Kings would do Hield, Mitchell, and a first. Not sure if they'd do 2 firsts. For DM, all of this is "sell low" returns on Simmons, but they're still better than losing all three of Simmons, Harris and Curry and only getting back Wall, Barnes and House and some future ??
Given the value Simmons has due to his contract they aren't getting what they thinkm he's great on one end of the floor and the other end you have to build the offense around him. Sacramento is one of the worst defensive teams in the league. That's why they went with Mitchell in the draft at a position they are 3 deep at... I think Harris is a worse contract than Wall because Wall is expiring in a year. There's value in the 76ers have cap flexibility and unloading their 2 worst contracts for shorter ones make some sense... Wall's got similar flaws as Simmons... good defender, passer; worthless from deep... Simmons age is the difference in value and position switching... I think Hield is underrated... i think Houston lacks 3pt shooting and he fits a need and age range... if you're thinking you won't get a max guy then he's a solid get for that cap space... Trae young with less vision and handle... I don't disagree with your points, it's a difference of valuation of Simmons... he's a 15-20 million player getting 30+ in my opinion. You can get little less defense and a lot more shooting for half his cap space... if Simmons is your 3rd or 4th best you can win...
My version of the Simmons trade Hou out: Wall, House Hou in: Bagley, Korkmaz 2 Sac protected 1sts Phi out: Simmons, Green, Korkmaz Phi in: Hield, Wall, House Sac out: Bagley, Hield, 2 protected 1sts Sac in: Simmons, Green Bagley and Korkmaz are just here for salary matching. Wouldn't mind moving them on for pics at the first opportunity. Would love to give them Gordon too but the salary is too much already.
Ive started to come around to Wall sticking around and KPJ spending a year off the bench (but basically getting starter minutes). So that means: Wall/KPJ/Augustine/Brooks Green/Gordon/Christopher Tate/Nwaba/House/Khryi Theis/KJ/Garuba Wood/Sengun So the outliers here seem to be Gordon and House. Nwaba can slide down and take Gordons minutes. With them two gone IMO it looks more like: Wall/KPJ/Augustine/Brooks Green/Nwaba/Christopher Tate/KJ/Khyri Theis/Garuba Wood/Sengun Which to me looks like our biggest "need" is maybe a backup 4 or 3? At least until Garuba can get up to speed/after g league time. So of those out there that fit into the money being sent out from Gordon/House, and add that we're not really looking for a starter, more of a bench vet. Ive come down to a few names: Thad Young (def more a 4/5) Marcus Morris (ehh) Love (nope) Heild (more of a 2 than a 3) Gallinari Bertans (4 years 16m.. no thanks) Gary Harris TJ Warren (more of a starter) Bojan Bogdanovich Will Barton Kyle Anderson Doug McDermott Malik Beasley Taurean Prince Of those guys the handful that i would drill it down to, based on potentially being available, fit and willing to come off the bench are: Will Barton Kyle Anderson Taurean Prince Doug McDermott Malik Beasley (least likely) The good thing i guess is that the combo of House/Gordon is better than each of those guys by themselves (save maybe Anderson and Beasley) so if we were to trade them out we should get some sort of compensation for Gordon/House. Which kind of begs the question. Should we get rid of them in the first place? The most logical trade ive found is Gordon/House for Barton/Bol Bol And im not 100% sure the Nuggets do it.
Simmons and Maxey to Sac Halliburton to Houston 1st rounder from sac, 2023 Bucks 1st (top 8 protected), Hield, Gordon, House to Philly.
Sharpe is intriguing BUT we are going to need a lot of cap space to sign the talent from this draft because they will all come off rookie deals at the same time. I don’t want to invest time development into a player then not be able to keep him.
