Why wouldn't they? Mihm and Yogi only have 1 year, while Spoon and Jones have 2. That alone may not be extremely appealing, although $$$-wise, it's MUCH better for New Jersey... But remember that we follow it up by swapping Mourning with Bobby Jaxx (another 1 year) and a filler. Basically, the biggest contract they'd have is Spoon, who has a MONSTER 6M per year for 2 years left. Their roster: Spoon (2 years) Jumaine Jones (2 years) Bobby Jax (1 year) Kristic (4 years I think) Planicic (2 years I think) Mihm (1 year) Yogi Stewart (1 year) Collins (1 or 2 years) Aaron Williams (2 years) Richard Jefferson (1 year) Buford (1 year) That is EXACTLY what New Jersey want to do. Kidd has 5 years and around 80M to go, while Mourning has 3 years and around 18M to go.
Hmm. Now this idea actually makes some basketball sense. Memphis would jump all over this one. West has been dying to make some 2 for 1 deals that would net them a legit superstar. And Kidd would be an absolutely perfect fit with the Grizz. We'd probably have to pony up a draft pick or two to NJ to get them to do the deal, but I'd do it.
Because they wouldn't be bringing any assets back at all. No decent young players and no draft picks. They're not going to trade Kidd away unless they get an all-star caliber player or a couple of young guys that have potential. And Mihm's a FA, so how much are you paying him to agree to the deal. Spoon? Stewart? I wouldn't take on Spoon's contract for free. I mean they were able to squeeze 3 #1s out of Denver even though everybody and their mama knew they wouldn't be matching Kmart's frontloaded contract. Don't you think they could get a better deal for Kidd than the crappy players that you suggested.
Tigereye, I would be happy with either Kidd or Bibby. Here's some trades that might enable us to get either one, along with the obligatory team summary afterwards. By the way, ignore those idiots that have no imagination & only post stupid comments to drive up their post counts. They're not the BBS Police, just a bunch of idiots that make weak attempts at building up their low self esteem, by putting others down. You keep posting all the trade scenarios you want. Trade #1 Houston sends Taylor/Lue/Nachbar/Piatkowski or JJ/TE/#1 pick to New Jersey. New Jersey sends Kidd/Zo to Houston. We'd need to fill in depth at PG/SG/SF with the MLE & Veteran's Minimum through FA, but this trade would give us a lineup of: C: Yao/Zo/Loren Woods(?) PF: Howard/Spoon/Padgett SF: McGrady/Rodney White/A.Griffin(IL) SG: Jon Barry/McGrady/Piatkowski/Gaines(IL) PG: Kidd/James or Ward/Gaines(IL) Trade #2 Houston sends Taylor/Lue/Nachbar/Piatkowski/TE/#1 pick to New Jersey. Houston sends JJ to Sacramento. New Jersey sends Zo to Houston. New Jersey sends Kidd to Sacramento. Sacramento sends Bibby/Christie to Houston. This one is more of a homer trade, but who cares? We're just throwing ideas out & dreaming. I don't think NJ would do this deal, but we won't know for sure, if you don't ask. Again, we'd have to fill in the holes in our depth with FA's. C: Yao/Zo/Loren Woods(?) PF: Howard/Spoon/Padgett SF: McGrady/Rodney White/A.Griffin(IL) SG: Christie/Jon Barry/McGrady/Gaines(IL) PG: Bibby/James or Ward/Gaines(IL) Trade #3 Houston sends Taylor/Lue/Nachbar/TE/#1 pick to New Jersey. Houston sends Piatkowski to Sacramento. New Jersey sends Zo to Houston. New Jersey sends Kidd to Sacramento. Sacramento sends Bibby to Houston. Sacramento sends Christie to New Jersey. In this trade, we keep JJ & NJ gets Christie. C: Yao/Zo/Loren Woods(?) PF: Howard/Spoon/Padgett SF: McGrady/Rodney White/A.Griffin(IL) SG: JJ/Jon Barry/McGrady/Gaines(IL) PG: Bibby/James or Ward/Gaines(IL) Trade #4 Houston sends Taylor/JJ/Lue/Nachbar/TE/#1 pick to New Jersey. Houston sends Piatkowski to Sacramento. New Jersey sends Zo to Houston. New Jersey sends Kidd to Sacramento. Sacramento sends Bibby/Christie to Houston. In this trade, we send JJ to New Jersey & we get Christie. C: Yao/Zo/Loren Woods(?) PF: Howard/Spoon/Padgett SF: McGrady/Rodney White/A.Griffin(IL) SG: Christie/Jon Barry/McGrady/Gaines(IL) PG: Bibby/James or Ward/Gaines(IL) These trades would completely depend on: 1) Is Zo healthy enough to play backup minutes? 2) Would New Jersey want to trade Zo bad enough to take what we're offering? 3) Would Sacramento even remotely have an interest in trading Bibby for Kidd? 4) Would Sacramento be willing to trade Christie for a chance at getting Kidd? 5) Would Les be willing to go into Luxury Tax territory by using the TE, MLE, & Veteran's Minimum exceptions? Isn't trading fun? I know that it's extremely unlikely that any of these trades will ever happen, but who could've predicted that we would get Pippen (prior to him becoming an *ss) for Roy Rogers & a 2nd round draft pick? I'll bet anything, that the person that posted that scenario would've been unmercifully crucified on this board & yet, it happened. Trade on, Baby.
You think trade scenarios are a new thing to CC.net?!? I wish this was the first time that we had had to deal with them...
Actually, this last one threw me off. How is Pike plus the full TE for a return of $6.9M a legal trade? This is what's scrambled in my head: The TE cannot be combined with a player to acquire a higher priced player....I get that much. And I get the part where it can be in a combo of players as long as the TE could've stood alone within that deal. But in the example above, what balances against Pike to make it legal? Is this simply a legal exception to the requirement that the total numbers in the deal balance out? And would Pike, in essence, be just an example ot a thrown in incentive to get the other team to agree to a trade? Thanks aelliott!
Good quetsion. Here's the math. From Houston' s point of view: The TE covers the incoming salary of $6.9M. That completes a non-simultaneous trade (Rice/ Ameechi). The remaining simultaneous part of the trade is Pike ($3.5M) out and nothing back. You are always allowed to take back less salary, so the simultaneous part works from Houston's point of view. From the other team's point of view, it's just one trade (not split between the simultaneous and non-simultaneous parts). So, it ends up being $6.9M in salary out and only $3.5M back in. Again, you're always allowed to take back less salary, so the deal works for that team. Does that make sense? The tricky part is that from our point of view it's two deals, but from the other teams point of view, it's only one trade.
No, New Jersey is not looking for an All Star calibre-player, becaue All Star calibre players want the MAX. So that's ruled out. As for a couple of young guys with potential, that's what draft picks are. BTW, money is an asset. The nets are trying to liquidate. Nothing is more valuable to them them money in the near future. If Jefferson was in his last year, do you thiknk they'd keep him? Hell no. They'd trade his ass just like they did with K-Mart. You're forgetting the most important thing... MONEY. CAPSPACE. After that trade, do you know how much capspace New jersey would have in 2 years, ruling out draft picks and signings? Around 40M. Let's say they re-sign Jefferson, take it down to 32M. They have 3 draft picks from Denver and one of their own, so let's say that brings it down to 20M. So they would have this in 2 years: Jefferson Kristic Planicic 1st rounder 1st rounder 1st rounder 1st rounder 2nd rounder (Clippers) 2nd rounder (Clippers) 20M in capspace This is exactly what they want: a brand new start when they move to Brooklyn. They can get talent in return, ofcourse. Like Jason Williams, who makes 8M a season for a 3 or 4 more years. Mike Bibby MAYBE, who makes a bit less than Kidd for 3 or 4 more years. Their absolute best bet would be Kirk Hinrich, Antonio Davis and a throw in for Kidd and Zo. But really, that depends on Paxson actually letting go of Hinrich, a Stockton clone, for Kidd, a 31 year old making the MAX.
