bbahollic other then the fact that dmo/jones are RFA after next season. you are taking a general term saying that "championship teams needs specialists on the bench to win" and turning that into that need having to be filled at PF. But you are taking a PF that is coming into his 3rd year that only got playing time at the very end of his rookie year, and was out or injured a good portion of his 2nd year. With him potentially backing up a PF that had back surgery, and could slide into the starting position needed. Also adding the fact that he has played with the rockets, howard, and capela. If he wasnt here you are saying you would want someone like reggie evans starting and a rookie backing him up? Not sure about that idea. most of the players you listed are just not only lateral moves but the players would be going in different directions trajectory wise, and do not look like morey trades to me.
Granger has played 76 games over the past 3 seasons, and is likely about to get CUT by Pistons. The pistons only have 1 roster spot left and 4 players who will fight for it Bullock (most likely), Martin , Thomas and Granger. Trading Jones for Granger and a second would be awful. Jones is worth, at least a top 20 pick in my eyes, and he's more valuable then that to us at this point unless we plan on replacing him with someone through MLE or something next year.
T_ones is more valuable than Granger but not worth a top 20 pick IMO. Without really digging into it, seems like trading T_ones would have to involve him + another rocket to actually get anything useful for us.
When I say T_ones isn't worth a top 20pick I mean other teams wouldn't give up a top 20 pick for T_ones.
yup. He's certain to get caught. I don't know about top 20 becaue of his fa situation and the right trading partner. The best would be Toronto. They have a huge hole at pf. They have a lottery pick this year from NY/DEN and will likely give an extension to Val and Ross from now so they can pay Jones no problem next year.
So we trade for a first round pick from Toronto. Then trade that pick to OKC and let's get Harden. It's still 2012 right? :grin:
This team can win the west, just need the right system for the players we have now. It's up to Mchale to put it together now. If he can't bring a championship within 3 years, he needs to go!!
I don't know if they will do it. I don't like the fit with Val and Jones...but then again I think Val is extremely overrated and is not a franchise worthy center. But they are one of the best trading partners for Jones because of each teams needs and assets. They also want to rebuild while contend, and trading for Jones should fill this strategy. But the pick would be Toronto's ofc not the NY/DEN , just so I'm not being misunderstood here.
Just to be clear, not sure whats the minimum salary required, but T Jones, KJ, Dekker and the rights to say Lull for Gibson in December wouldn't work right? What if we threw in Hayes' or Terry's contract? I mean I know Chicago probably would want more, but just want to know if the numbers would work? Trade Machine isn't up to date
He is SOOO desperate to trade Tjones......and it is horrible - the kid is 22 years old, not a world beater but a pretty good up and coming big man. DD
Toronto has 3 centers: Jonas, Bismack, and Nogueira and 2 PFs: Scola, Patterson They're not giving up their first rounder for Terrence. If they would the deal would have already been made. I'm sure of that. That's totally unrealistic. Plus Toronto is at the cap. So, they gotta send salary out to make the trade. They can't make the trade into their cap space. That means they have to send out one of Nogueira or James Johnson or they have to combine their recently signed picks, Wright and Powell, in order to trade for Terrence. They're for sure not going to send out their first rounder pick, Wright, plus their second round pick, Powell, plus another first for Terrence. And to trade Nogueira on a rookie deal for Terrence straight would be highway robbery for us, not to mention Toronto giving us their first rounder besides. So that leaves you with James Johnson and Toronto's first rounder for Terrence. I suppose we would eat Johnson's contract to get their first rounder. But why, pray tell, would they do that? And if they would.....why isn't the deal already done????? U-n-r-e-a-l-i-s-t-i-c
No desperation Dada. He's going to be traded. It's simply a matter of when an what we can get for him. That's what I'm discussing. I was desperate to trade Terrence when he allegedly broke out a year and a half ago. I felt like his trade value had peaked and we should move him if at all possible for a future first. I thought we may have been able to get a low future first for him at that time. But we didn't trade him. And now here we are. Next man up. He's got to go.
Yeah, as I keep on mentioning (and it gets ignored by those who don't want to hear it), I'm totally fine trading Jones. However the team first needs to sort some things out (making sure D-Mo is 100%, Harrell jumping him in the rotation, or a vet. min guy getting signed that beats Jones out). Let's keep in mind though that, as Jonathan Feigan wrote earlier today, THE TEAM (not me) was ok letting go of Josh Smith (higher quality than vet min guy) because of Jones and D-Mo being ahead of him in the rotation most likely. That's coming from them, not me. You think that Jones can bring back prospects and picks???... that would be great in a vacuum, but as I've mentioned before, Morey gave up 2 picks himself for a Prigioni RENTAL because the team thought he could help the team WIN NOW. They aren't in the asset collection mode anymore in order to give up usable players at a position of need. We all aren't fans of Jones, but obviously the front office and coaches see some value in what he brings or they probably wouldn't have let Smith go. If there is a deal out there that does both then lets see that deal. I personally don't. While Hollic's proposals sound crazy, and they would be crazy to pull off, I'm inclined to say that those are probably the type of options you are looking at. Andrew Nicholson, or Sullinger types coming back would be best case scenario. And even then, around the league the move would probably be viewed as very lateral. I'm not really sure that's going to take this team to the next level. The corpse of Danny Granger sure as F-ing wont. I dunno. The whole situation just baffles me with our fans that just want a new shiny toy like my little toddler at home (scratch that, my toddler has more patience). Until some of these new contracts are able to be combined in December I just really don't see a need to trade Jones just to trade him. Come December - Feb. there will be some good players available at a much more reasonable price, and the Rockets will have better tools, and more data assurance that D-Mo is healthy and Harrell can play. Is it really too much to preach a bit of patience around here? Let's see D-Mo back on the court first please. Spoiler
You have no idea if he will be traded or not, he might be - he might not be, right now there is no need to. DD
I have a pretty good idea he will be traded. Not 100%. But a pretty good idea he will be traded. It may not happen. Things could change. But right now we're headed towards a trade of Terrence. Could be before August. Might not be until end of September. And there's a chance everything falls through, DMO gets hurt again, or Harrell or Capela or Dwight go down and there's a reassessment. But for right now we are on the road to a trade of Terrence.
